Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Post by gokeefe » Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:33 am

I did exclude the Adirondack, Maple Leaf and Ethan Allen but as you rightly note (and I had forgotten) those trains are now partially or fully supported by NYSDOT (due to PRIIA).

So, 7 trainsets of 5.5 cars each plus two each for the other three routes, also 5.5 cars each. 38.5 to cover the Empire Service and 33 to cover the Adirondack, Maple Leaf and Ethan Allen. So 71.5 or an even 72 cars total.

Combined with the other three orders that would be 112 cars total. Along with 500 cars from Amtrak for the national pool that's more than enough to keep Siemens running well into the middle of the next decade.

Interesting how the presence of a motivated and competent car builder has so drastically altered the dynamic in fleet procurement and even route development.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Post by electricron » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:34 am

gokeefe wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:33 am
Combined with the other three orders that would be 112 cars total. Along with 500 cars from Amtrak for the national pool that's more than enough to keep Siemens running well into the middle of the next decade.
Interesting how the presence of a motivated and competent car builder has so drastically altered the dynamic in fleet procurement and even route development.
Every new car ordered by the States using FRA grants is one less new car Amtrak needs to order to maintain the same level of service. I haven't kept count how many new cars Siemens has or will be ask to manufacture to date, it is spread out over many years and just too much trouble for me to look up. But a quick trip to web site suggests Amtrak is running 16 Metroliners, 457 Amfleet Is, 138 Amfleet IIs, and 92 Horizon cars - not including company service only cars or Viewliner cars not scheduled for retirement.

For public use, that is a total of 703 single level cars scheduled for retirement soon. I wonder where all of them will end up?

I believe Siemens has been very smart and waited for Amtrak's fleet to reach the end of their service lives before introducing a FRA complaint passenger car into America. Suggesting waiting for there to be a demand for them to compete to supply the need. They have had a presence in the Sacramento plant for decades building light rail cars, and now locomotives and heavy rail cars. That prolonged presence has also allowed them to build up a well trained workforce to do the manufacturing as they expanded their operations. It seems all the other manufacturers have been on bull and bear cycles - moving their base of operations around to please purchasers buy locally demands. A poor way to maintain a well trained workforce. It's their well trained and experienced workforce that has made them very competent. Well done Siemens!

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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Post by Greg Moore » Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:42 pm

Well, all I can hope is that NYS and Amtrak and others start purchasing cars!

Assuming a number 700 is roughly accurate, I would suggest that Amtrak really needs aggregate closer to 800 or more with current expansion plans and ones that will come up in the next decade. But that's not a terrible problem. If say Siemens produces 100-125 a year, they could be busy for a decade.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Post by gokeefe » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:04 pm

electricron wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:34 am
Every new car ordered by the States using FRA grants is one less new car Amtrak needs to order to maintain the same level of service.
I have been watching the situation very closely with this specific dynamic in mind. At the moment my read of the tea leaves is that Amtrak is planning for new routes and additional service that would absorb any surplus of equipment.

It is also well worth noting that the Cascades and Piedmont cars are not replacing equipment from Amtrak's national pool. The California cars are replacing existing state equipment or allowing for expansion of service. There are also a limited number of Amfleets in California that can be returned to the Northeast.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Post by gokeefe » Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:56 pm

From the NGEC Section 305 Committee September Report ...
The first 30 carshells are in production at Siemens Sacramento Facility. Static testing is nearly complete on Carshell #1. Corner load, trucking and water tests were completed on Carshell #2. Liners and luggage racks are installed on Carshell #3. Carshells 4 and 5 remain in production with work including: door platforms, underframe racks, toilet modules and wiring. The remaining carshells are in various stages of component installation, welding, integration, painting or storage.

The FAI process continues and most system-level FAIs are complete. The FRA Sample Car Inspection occurred on September 18th and the first two cars are being prepared for shipment to TTCI. The overall car FAI will be scheduled for week of October 21. A functional wheelchair lift demonstration will occur at Ricon on October 15.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Post by SouthernRailway » Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:24 pm

I believe that NARP mentioned that a new Siemens coach is headed for testing?

If these Siemens cars are like the Brightline ones, they’ll be terrific!

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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

Post by gokeefe » Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:28 pm

They are nearly identical.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

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