• Amtrak Sunset East Reactivation Proposal (Including City of New Orleans Extension)

  • Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.
Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

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  by lordsigma12345
 
https://www.wjtv.com/news/mobile-to-dec ... coast/amp/

Important decisions coming...... City of Mobile has to agree to fund Alabama’s portion of NOL - MOB in order for this to take off.

No movement on the eastern (Mobile - Orlando) side of things. The original plan had one of the round trips going beyond Mobile to ORL, but that died with Governor Ivey’s opposition to the project. Any extension beyond Mobile is dead as long as she is in office. Nothing will change on that front unless a new administration in Alabama more open to passenger rail comes around along with state support in Florida.
  by eolesen
 
Having service NOL-GPT-MOB makes sense. There's a lot of population density in that 145 mile corridor.

If that gets off the ground, extending another 50 miles to PNS might be feasible. East of that, though, and you're in a population desert for another 200 miles...
  by electricron
 
gokeefe wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:43 pm Interesting to see the municipal officials grinding it out with their state government. I will not be surprised if Mobile ultimately wins out. Municipal governments are very hard to ignore.
Not that easy when Mobile is just 8.5% of the entire state's population.
Per wiki, as always:
Alabama 4,887,871
Mobile 413,955
Math = 413,955 / 4,887,871 x 100 = 8.47%

Alabama is reality poor, with a yearly budget totaling $32 billion, $6,547 per capita.
Mobile's budget is even less, with a yearly budget totaling $260 million, $628 per capita.
  by eolesen
 
Mobile including exurbs is closer to ~595,000 and 12% of the estimated state population.

Making the argument to get $3-5M in transportation related funding should be a no-brainer, especially if it can help feed the growing cruise business, or better yet, get paid for by the cruise companies or funded by a port tax.
  by mtuandrew
 
eolesen wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:43 am Mobile including exurbs is closer to ~595,000 and 12% of the estimated state population.

Making the argument to get $3-5M in transportation related funding should be a no-brainer, especially if it can help feed the growing cruise business, or better yet, get paid for by the cruise companies or funded by a port tax.
Then we should be considering a corridor from New Orleans to Mobile, then to Montgomery and Birmingham, and possibly to Atlanta. That has to be at least 70% of the state’s population and two of the largest out-of-state destinations.
  by bostontrainguy
 
mtuandrew wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:55 am
eolesen wrote: Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:43 am Mobile including exurbs is closer to ~595,000 and 12% of the estimated state population.

Making the argument to get $3-5M in transportation related funding should be a no-brainer, especially if it can help feed the growing cruise business, or better yet, get paid for by the cruise companies or funded by a port tax.
Then we should be considering a corridor from New Orleans to Mobile, then to Montgomery and Birmingham, and possibly to Atlanta. That has to be at least 70% of the state’s population and two of the largest out-of-state destinations.
Would that be a better route for the Crescent?
  by east point
 
bostontrainguy wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:32 pm
Then we should be considering a corridor from New Orleans to Mobile, then to Montgomery and Birmingham, and possibly to Atlanta. That has to be at least 70% of the state’s population and two of the largest out-of-state destinations.
Would that be a better route for the Crescent?
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No. But if that could be a split off at BHM such as the Builder at Spokane. Then that would be very good/ As well additional tracks can be added at BHM station to switch cars and not be on the main track
  by mtuandrew
 
east point wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:06 pm
bostontrainguy wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:32 pmWould that be a better route for the Crescent?
No. But if that could be a split off at BHM such as the Builder at Spokane. Then that would be very good/ As well additional tracks can be added at BHM station to switch cars and not be on the main track
I’m not sure that’s the best idea - a stand-alone train would probably work better, so there’s no awkward split/join/handoff between NS and CSX. The Empire Builder split occurs within the BNSF system; the handoff at MSP between CP and BNSF doesn’t involve additional sections from elsewhere. Same for the Lake Shore Limited ALB split/join on Amtrak rails and handoff at CLE between NS and CSX.
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