• Amtrak On-Time Performance (OTP) Delays Reroutes Annulled

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  by STrRedWolf
 
FRA pushed out a proposed rule and is having a teleconfrence for public comment (although you can submit now):

https://www.federalregister.gov/documen ... il-service

Condensing the document down:
  • If a customer arrives 15 or more minutes past the scheduled arrival time at any station, the customer is late -- and that's the metric that counts.
  • If less than 80% of a train's passengers are within 15 minutes of on-time arrival for two consecutive quarters, Amtrak can complain to the STB.
  • Host railroads can work around this to an extent by regularly working with Amtrak to update schedules, and recording the process of updating. This includes temporary changes due to out-of-host-control situations.
  • Amtrak and host railroads have metrics that they can gather to help STB with any investigation.
Looks half-way decent. They also made sure to check with the known host railroads and most transit providers as well.
  by bdawe
 
how are scheduled determined, especially for long distance routes?

Obviously it's not "technically achievable timetable + margin" or else everything would be late even more.

but it would seem it's also not a case of "this is what Fort Worth/Omaha/Jacksonville/Norfolk say's it's gonna be" otherwise we'd see schedules degrading even more, and things like "it would be a lot easier if everything topped out at 70" would be more than just suggestions.

And if it was an agreed upon process, wouldn't there be a lot more disagreement?

SO does that leave us with "Amtrak and the STB think this is what you should be able to do across your railroad and you're going to make it happen"?
  by west point
 
Wolf: Believe that part of the proposal is meeting with a freight RR for what freight RR will have to do in the way of infrastructure improvements to maintain schedules ? How it will be paid for also.
  by justalurker66
 
bdawe wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:45 pmObviously it's not "technically achievable timetable + margin" or else everything would be late even more.
"technically achievable timetable + margin" sounds like a good method. Calculate the time that it should take for a train to pass from one station to another based on track speeds and traffic at the time of the train and add a couple of minutes. They should be able to work out a schedule where a train is not more than 15 minutes late (counting as on time). if it is proven that they can't meet that schedule add more margin or move the train to a time where there are less conflicts.

For the past few weeks I have been watching arrivals in Elkhart Indiana for the evening Capitol Limited and Lake Shore Limited. There have been nights where NS stuck these trains out and they had to wait for traffic. But more often than not these trains are early and forced to hold for scheduled departure (with no passengers most nights - but still holding in case someone buys a ticket online and wants to board). On a good night (for the Amtrak schedule) the train arrives a couple of minutes late, stops, toots the horn and rolls on in to the night. No passengers to slow down the train and (if running late) no hold for scheduled departure.

I do like counting the number of passengers inconvenienced at intermediate station. It seems that the current Amtrak schedules have massive recovery time at the end of the run (counting a train as on time if it reaches its final destination on time). If the goal is reliable service and most passengers do not travel end to end they need to count every late passenger, even the intermediates.
  by STrRedWolf
 
Cali Zephyr hits bolder on track, delayed 17 hours, passengers transferred.

https://kutv.com/news/local/amtrak-trai ... last-night
KUTV — (UPDATE: Sunday at 9:30 p.m.) – The train holding the 57 passengers – guests combined from two trains – is moving and just passed Helper, UT, according to Steve Edwards who says he is on the train. He added the crews were able to remove the rock, fix the problem, and offer everyone a complimentary meal...

(SALT LAKE CITY) – A large rock is impeding tracks east of Provo, halting an Amtrak train since last night that is on its way to Emeryville, Calif from Chicago, Ill.
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