justalurker66 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:20 pm
Tadman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:45 amYou have yet to actually prove that. Right now we have two bodies of hard fact:
1. the Amtrak way which is proven to be broken
2. the old way which is proven to work
Those are your assertions - not bodies of hard fact - and we have been trying to get you to prove your point since the beginning of this thread. It is your plan to decentralize. It is your responsibility to offer proof.
How much proof do you want? We all know OTP is awful. We've seen the timetables. What else do you need? The ghost of Graham Claytor to tap you on the shoulder? A water stain on a bridge abutment that looks like the Virgin Mary sitting next to Wayne Johnston and George M Pullman sitting in a full dining car discussing trends in modern railroading? These are indeed hard fact and we have all seen the evidence.
justalurker66 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:20 pm
Tadman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:45 amWe also have stations in 4 of 5 of the original terminal sites, despite your assertions otherwise.
And tracks connecting those stations to the trains you want to send to them? Don't forget that you made the claims earlier that your plan would not need construction.
Ok fine. you got me. We'll burn this thread up over ten switches. But remember in comparison to any of the "good ideas" out of Amtrak and the city, they're rounding errors. And they're also a best practice as it cut 20+ minute unplanned delays in Detroit to install one switch reducing handoffs between NS and CN in West Detroit. Again, don't let the hard evidence dissuade you.
justalurker66 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:20 pm
Tadman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:53 amNobody makes that change at Homewood. Nobody.
Not one person ever? Well that is a bold claim.
I'm good with it. I've suggested it to a few riders on CofNO in the past looking to access Hyde Park and they think I'm crazy. If less than 5% of riders transfer at CUS, how many do or even realize one can at Homewood. With no interline ticketing or guaranteed connections. To another railroad. None. Goose-egg.
justalurker66 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:20 pm
Tadman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:53 amAnd you do need extra time, as there is no guaranteed connections, so you have to wait. It's going to be at least 15 minutes and perhaps an hour.
The point is the Amtrak train does not have to wait. Your initial violent rebuke of the idea of transferring at Homewood was the layover time for Amtrak before heading into the city. The train already stops there with no layover beyond a normal station stop to discharge passengers. Amtrak doesn't have to wait for the connecting train.
How does that have any effect on the passenger that transferred? Now the guys going downtown on Amtrak have a longer than necessary ride AND the international man of mystery that doesn't exist that would supposedly wait 20 minutes plus for a Metra connection has a long ride. You've literally taken the worst of two ideas and combined them into an idea that nobody would use.
justalurker66 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:20 pm
Tadman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:53 amThe overall point of this thread has and always will be about a strategy of using the natural terminals at the end of the line to avoid handoffs and complexity.
Your idea of what is and is not a natural terminal is unnatural.
Again, not my idea of natural. These are where the trains went before Amtrak came up with "some good ideas".
justalurker66 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:20 pm
Tadman wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:53 amI'm sure you think you're clever trying to change my arguments and then play the victim because I'm so mean.
And when you can't support your arguments you turn to insults. We are all the victims of your constant harassment. If you could "win" your argument you would stick to the point you want to make and not keep posting insults. But your plan and your arguments have no merit.
Oh cry me a river dude. You are the victim of a feeble mind. I've supported my points with all the hard data in the world and you keep coming back and saying "well thats not proof". I posit OTP is bad. "not proof". I posit that handoffs are done poorly, "not proof". I posit that trains should have sub-3 hour timiing, "not proof". Then you change my arguments. Then you claim to be the victim of harassment. Good luck dude.
Here, take one of these home with you today.
The new Acela: It's not Aveliable.