Pulling a coal train,,,...

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drewcarr1

Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by drewcarr1 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:18 pm

As an engineer is there a difference say in pulling a coal train compared to say a general merchandise train or container,piggy back train//??..which is harder to pull??

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Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by UPRR engineer » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:08 pm

Your kidding right? I'm gonna put this in Teen Railfan Forum where they might answer your question a little nicer.

drewcarr1

Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by drewcarr1 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:16 pm

Sorry that i stepped on your toes uppr engineer....

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Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by UPRR engineer » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:25 pm

You werent there buddy, not being mean here, but dont they still teach a little physics in high school. I moved it to save you from getting called an idiot and there for saving your skin. I dont mind engineer questions in the Operations forum, but isnt stuff like that common sense.... You should have changed the way you asked.

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Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by Otto Vondrak » Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:48 pm

Hey Drew-

1) Commas are different from periods.

2) What's in a train doesn't matter so much. Coal, merchandise, trash, gummi bears etc. The length of the train, how many engines, and what kind of grade profile (lots of hills and mountains? flat land prairie?) all make a difference.

3) UPRR Engineer's remark about physics pretty much relates to point No. 1. And he was saving your skin by moving your question to keep a bunch of crusty old railroaders from jumpin' all over you. Simply take some time to think out your question and the way you might phrase it. Perhaps you meant to ask, "What factors can make a freight train hard to pull?"

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Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by WSH » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:24 pm

Well you guys are jumping the gun and talking physics you are forgetting some important aspects of coal hauling. There are not a lot of differnences as far as how to pull one type of frieght over another but at least here in WV pulling coal is completely different than anything else. Pulling coal will take you to places in this state where the railroad can be temporary and located in terrain vastly different than any mainline railroad. There are also very different rules when the coal trains themselves are operating on active MTR or strip mines.

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Post by drewcarr1 » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:41 am

Thanks wsh... this was the type of info i was looking for..

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Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by BR&P » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:35 pm

I didn't see the original post when it first appeared. Was he asking which actually PULLED harder, or which was harder to HANDLE? For example, a solid coal train is easier to figure out than a mixed consist, especially if they have been nice enough to put a bunch of heavy loads to the rear.

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Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by drewcarr1 » Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:25 am

I was just trying to figure out which is harder to handle??? Seems like a coal train would be very heavy...

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Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by slchub » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:34 pm

When I was in freight I would rather have a coal or grain train than a mixed manifest or auto train. The units trains (coal and grain) are usually the same cars with the same braking abilities and tonnage throughout. While it may take longer to get up to speed, once you are up to speed it is pretty easy to operate depending upon the territory and how well you know the territory.

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Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by NV290 » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:22 pm

slchub wrote:When I was in freight I would rather have a coal or grain train than a mixed manifest or auto train. The units trains (coal and grain) are usually the same cars with the same braking abilities and tonnage throughout. While it may take longer to get up to speed, once you are up to speed it is pretty easy to operate depending upon the territory and how well you know the territory.
Bingo. Weight is not really the issue. You can take two 100 car trains each weighing (for example) 12,000 tons. And each with three modern six axle units.

Train #1 is 100 loaded coal cars.

Train #2 is 100 assorted loaded cars (Boxcars, tankcars, gons, etc)

The coal train will be MUCH easier to handle as all the cars are pretty much identical. Same braking system, same length, same drawbar configuration, same load profile, etc.

The EASIEST trains to handle are long, heavy unit trains. Mixed freights are a pain due to all the variables in cars. Loads and empties brake differently. Tank cars and cushion cars introduce annoying handling characteristics and the varying length of each car all make things alot more complicated.

Hell, id rather a 12,000 ton loaded coal train without dynamics, over a 6,000 ton mixed freight. At least coal trains are predictable.

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Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by slchub » Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:08 am

And on a side note, now that I run passenger, I find that I am doing much more to handle/control my train (2 motors, bag car and 9 coaches) than I ever did in freight!

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Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by NV290 » Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:37 am

slchub wrote:And on a side note, now that I run passenger, I find that I am doing much more to handle/control my train (2 motors, bag car and 9 coaches) than I ever did in freight!
You probably are!

I know the easiest trains to handle are long and heavy. So the idea of a super short train with the added challenge of having the cars filled with people, who in many instances are walking, standing or drinking hot coffee would certainly add to the challenges. At least when i run a train, if i have a short "mental vacation" and get a small run in, nobody will complain except my Conductor (if he is awake), but passenger service? I give you guys credit.

drewcarr1

Re: Pulling a coal train,,,...

Post by drewcarr1 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:34 pm

These are the kind of answers i was looking for... thanks alot guys..I learned something today!!!!

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