• East River Tunnel Sandy Rehabilitation

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This forum will be for issues that don't belong specifically to one NYC area transit agency, but several. For instance, intra-MTA proposals or MTA-wide issues, which may involve both Metro-North Railroad (MNRR) and the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Other intra-agency examples: through running such as the now discontinued MNRR-NJT Meadowlands special. Topics which only concern one operating agency should remain in their respective forums.
  by Jeff Smith
 
Here's one tunnel (multiple tunnels, of course) you don't hear much about for damage from Sandy. There wasn't much detail in this article, but I have to assume it relates to the East River Tunnels. This topic even predates Sandy, but I'll use it and merge a few others in:
FTA allocates final Hurricane Sandy repair funds
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The funds can be used for the East River tunnel project, which are in "desperate need of repairs" due to damage caused by Hurricane Sandy in 2012, said U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer in a prepared statement.

A recent U.S. Court decision to stall Amtrak's $550 million in Sandy-related insurance payouts put the repair work in limbo, Schumer said.

"The USDOT and Secretary Foxx have rightfully heeded the call and will inject $432 million into the MTA for critical projects like the Long Island Railroad Tunnel project — and this comes not a moment too soon,” Schumer said. "Right now, unfortunately, these tunnels are the weakest link in the commute of so many Long Islanders but with these funds on track, the tunnel tubes can be brought up to a good state of repair and reduce the frequency of maddening delays."
  by Jeff Smith
 
Temporary cross-post to Amtrak as these tunnels affect the NEC as well. Honestly, doesn't Amtrak own and operate them? Why would MTA get this money? It seems clear from the article this does not pertain to ESA.
  by east point
 
Yes Amtrak owns the East river tunnels as well as the North river tunnels. Strangely though LIRR owns and controls Harold interlocking which is a route island from the East river tunnels to Amtrak's Hell Gate line. LIRR ownership stretches from Harold eastward to Jamaica and beyond.
Repair of the tunnels is important but does that include flood doors to prevent another "Sandy" from causing more damage ? Are priorities correct ?
  by Kelly&Kelly
 
No "flood doors" are planned. The thinking is that he flood was a 350-year event and that the damage from a flood would be minimal.
  by east point
 
No flood doors ? IMHO that is a head in the sand thinking for both East river and North river tunnels. If this poster was a politician he would require every person that thinks this way to be on record supporting such.
Last edited by east point on Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.
  by SRich
 
east point wrote:Yes Amtrak owns the East river tunnels as well as the North river tunnels. Strangely though LIRR owns and controls Harold interlocking which is a route island from the East river tunnels to Amtrak's Hell Gate line. LIRR ownership stretches from Harold eastward to Jamaica and beyond.
Repair of the tunnels is important but does that include flood doors to prevent another "Sandy" from causing more damage ? Are priorities correct ?
Harold is controlled from Penn Station Control Center(PSCC) witch is a part of the Amtrak Command and Control center. Harold interlocking is not owned by LIRR but AMTRAK. The LIRR owned portion is the seperation of LIRR and AMTRAK.
  by Head-end View
 
Hmmm..........so before PSCC when Harold Tower still controlled the interlocking, was it staffed by LIRR employees or Amtrak, or both?
  by geico
 
SRich wrote:
east point wrote:Yes Amtrak owns the East river tunnels as well as the North river tunnels. Strangely though LIRR owns and controls Harold interlocking which is a route island from the East river tunnels to Amtrak's Hell Gate line. LIRR ownership stretches from Harold eastward to Jamaica and beyond.
Repair of the tunnels is important but does that include flood doors to prevent another "Sandy" from causing more damage ? Are priorities correct ?
Harold is controlled from Penn Station Control Center(PSCC) witch is a part of the Amtrak Command and Control center. Harold interlocking is not owned by LIRR but AMTRAK. The LIRR owned portion is the seperation of LIRR and AMTRAK.
Harold is owner by LIRR. Amtrak owns the interlocking west of Harold.
  by Head-end View
 
"Does anybody really know what time it is?"
  by Kelly&Kelly
 
Yes, Harold is owned and maintained by the LIRR. Harold Tower is a LIRR facility. By most measures, Harold is the busiest interlocking in the United States.
  by Head-end View
 
Thank-you K & K. Whew........!
  by Jeff Smith
 
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Amtrak mulling Cuomo’s alternative L train plan for its own tunnel repairs

After Governor Andrew Cuomo abruptly announced plans to call off the 15-month L train shutdown, opting for a different method of repairing the Hurricane Sandy-damaged Canarsie Tunnel, officials at Amtrak are considering a similar approach to conduct repairs on damaged tunnels between Manhattan and Queens.

According to the New York Daily News, engineers for Amtrak is studying Cuomo’s plan, which involves a different way of repairing the cables that would keep the tunnel’s capabilities intact, before determining if the method could work for its own purposes, but have so far called the idea a “common-sense solution” and one that would create a more tolerable experience for passengers.

“It’s is important for us to do a thorough vetting so that we can determine now at this stage whether it’s a methodology that we could use,” Amtrak chairman Anthony Coscia told the Daily News.

Amtrak has plans to demolish the inside of two East River tunnels, both damaged by Hurricane Sandy in 2012, down and rebuild them in a fashion that is similar to what was originally planned for the L train line.
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  by east point
 
The big difference from the "L" 2 tunnel bores and North river 2 tunnel bores is that the East river bores are 4 bores so shutting one East river bore at a time will have a minimum disruption for LIRR rush hour traffic. There is a real penalty closing a tunnel to traffic, moving in equipment for restoration ( where is equipment stored? ), then removing equipment and debris , testing track and signals that they still work, then reopening bore for rail traffic. Then next time repeat. That means more funds and longer time to complete each bore.
  by jamesinclair
 
What exactly has Amtrak been doing for the last 4 years when theyve had one tunnel shut all weekend, every weekend?

Cuomos L train idea is intended to prevent a total closure and only rely on weekend closures.
  by WhartonAndNorthern
 
jamesinclair wrote:What exactly has Amtrak been doing for the last 4 years when theyve had one tunnel shut all weekend, every weekend?
To borrow a phrase from M*A*S*H, most likely "meatball surgery."