Amtrak Gateway Tunnels

[STrRedWolf]

Mr. Wolf. I was a college Freshman when the MILW abandoned the "bridge" during '61; and had no idea I'd be on the outfit's payroll some nine years later.

But from those having the "whiskers", such as the Agent at Marquette, IA, track speed was ostensibly 10mph - and that was on a "good day".

Okay, I figured it wouldn't be 60, but 10? You might as well ferry them across the river.

[JohnFromJersey]

Worst comes to worst, and the tunnels fail...
Do you think we'll see some of the old CNJ terminals on the Jersey City shoreline come back to use with ferries?

[STrRedWolf]

Worst comes to worst, and the tunnels fail...
Do you think we'll see some of the old CNJ terminals on the Jersey City shoreline come back to use with ferries?

Bus bridge. The rail is no longer there.

[scratchyX1]

Worst comes to worst, and the tunnels fail...
Do you think we'll see some of the old CNJ terminals on the Jersey City shoreline come back to use with ferries?

The terminals that have been depicted with really good detail in Marvel Comics?
I think the bridge (which is the one that had the disaster in 58, right?) is long gone.

[mtuandrew]

The CNJ Terminal (Communipaw) won’t see rail service again.

In the event of disaster or destruction of some number of the NY-NJ tunnels or bridges, CNJ would be best used as an exclusive bus to ferry transfer station.

[eolesen]

Worst comes to worst, and the tunnels fail...
Do you think we'll see some of the old CNJ terminals on the Jersey City shoreline come back to use with ferries?

Nope. You'll see more permanent telecommuting for NYC commuters.

Face it folks, many companies survived the last 8 months without having workers at desks in Manhattan. I suspect there's a new "shelter in place" order coming for NYC if it's not already out.

[Jeff Smith]

Worst comes to worst, and the tunnels fail...
Do you think we'll see some of the old CNJ terminals on the Jersey City shoreline come back to use with ferries?

Bus bridge. The rail is no longer there.

But Hoboken will be hellabusy!

[STrRedWolf]

Worst comes to worst, and the tunnels fail...
Do you think we'll see some of the old CNJ terminals on the Jersey City shoreline come back to use with ferries?

Bus bridge. The rail is no longer there.

But Hoboken will be hellabusy!

Hoboken, Newark, and Secaucus. There's not enough room at just Hoboken. I think I posted a theoretical "worst case scenario" earlier (or in another thread).

[Gilbert B Norman]

While I will endeavor to "non-politcize" this posting, and ask any respondents to make like
same, Gateway has as much chance now to have the "borers a borin'", as in the past eight years.

While "razor thin", the Dems will now hold all pieces of Col. Perkowski's 218+51+1 enacted legislation equation. In common with both Obama and Trump, Joe has big infrastructure plans. But, as we know, such sounds great on the trail, but largely forgotten in office.

But the existing tunnels are eight years closer to springing a leak, and now "ostensibly Amtrak" Joe, and assuming Chuck and Nancy "make their troops toe the line", the talking just might end, and the shoveling begin.

[Jeff Smith]

If they use "design-build", and just concentrate on the tunnels, I think they can get it done pretty quick.

[lensovet]

The 1.9T proposal from Biden makes it clear that he learned from Obama's mistakes and will not be shy about pushing for "traditional" blue priorities, bipartisanship be damned. In my mind, that actually significantly improves the chances of this and many other projects getting started (think CAHSR as well).

[R&DB]

The CNJ Terminal (Communipaw) won’t see rail service again.

In the event of disaster or destruction of some number of the NY-NJ tunnels or bridges, CNJ would be best used as an exclusive bus to ferry transfer station.

Can't do that as the boat to land loading bridges were removed along with that section of the building around 1980 during the renovation from Terminal to a Museum. The 4 track bridge across Newark Bay and it's piers were removed by demolition in the early 80s as a hazard to navagation.

[Ken W2KB]

The CNJ Terminal (Communipaw) won’t see rail service again.

In the event of disaster or destruction of some number of the NY-NJ tunnels or bridges, CNJ would be best used as an exclusive bus to ferry transfer station.

Can't do that as the boat to land loading bridges were removed along with that section of the building around 1980 during the renovation from Terminal to a Museum. The 4 track bridge across Newark Bay and it's piers were removed by demolition in the early 80s as a hazard to navagation.

There is a ferry that operates from Liberty State Park, adjacent to the CNJ Terminal. While the CNJ ferry access infrastructure is long gone as you point out, the vast majority of the present NY Harbor ferryboats are smaller craft and operate from much simpler infrastructure as they are passenger only. The cost to install additional ferry ramps at Liberty State Park immediately adjacent to the terminal building would not be prohibitive. See, for example: https://www.libertylandingferry.com/

[RailsEast]

News from the New Jersey Business & Industry Association.....

"Yesterday (2/16/21), the Federal Transit Administration (FTA) reversed a Trump administration policy that didn’t allow states or local entities to use federal loans as part of their funding match to get federal grants. Those opposed to the Trump policy say that it stalled progress on projects such the construction of new Hudson River tunnels.

Under the Trump administration guidance, first announced in June 2018, federal loans taken out by local project partners no longer counted as part of the local share for Capital Investment Grant (CIG) projects. According to Gov. Phil Murphy, this made it harder for states to finance their portions of transit infrastructure improvements, such as the Hudson Tunnel Project.

“Yesterday’s action will provide flexibility for the financing of the Gateway Program and other Northeast Corridor projects including for the construction of two new tunnels under the Hudson River,” Murphy said. “I spoke with [Transportation] Secretary Pete Buttigieg recently and raised my concerns on this funding issue with him directly, and I am pleased to see this action taken.”

[Ken W2KB]

Delays by feds added $300M to new Hudson River tunnel costs

“If LBA is correct and nights/weekends repair-in-place is feasible...(it) will repair and upgrade the tunnel sooner than, ‘build new first, repair existing second.”

Clift argued that the added capacity isn’t as imperative to provide now because coronavirus has changed commuting patterns, with many continuing to work from home. https://www.nj.com/news/2021/03/delays- ... -says.html