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P&W coal into Binghamton, NY?
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"P&W" "Coal" and "Binghamton" does not compute. Unless they restored the Poughkeepsie Bridge when I wasn't looking, how the heck would P&W even think about getting to Bingo?
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Last edited by Otto Vondrak on Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Here's the e-mail:
Hello All, I Wanted To Post This News For Tomorrow, But Its Already Mention On
The D&H List. So I'll Post It Today. The P&W Will Be Running Around 8-9. Test
Coal Trains To Johnson City,NY. Vestal,NY..? The Coal Ship Alwine Oldendorf.
Is Due For Arrival At The Port Of Providence, Around 1-5-9. Or 12-13. Mid Jan.
From What i Here That If....? This Coal Burns Well At J.C. We Could Be
Seeing a 3 Year Contract, & The Opportunity To See P&W Handle Up To 300,000 Tons
Of Coal. P&W Will Provide The Coal Cars, They Are GCCX-GACX. Not Sure About
The B&M's.....? P&W Run Thru Power To Binghamton,NY. Via The
"Gate-Way-Route" P&W-NECR (New London,CT) -VRS-(Bellows Falls,VT) CP
(WhiteHall,NY) NS. (Binghamton,NY) 50 Loads On Each Train. 100 Cars In 1.5
Weeks! P&W Must Deliver The Loaded Coal Train To The NECR By 14:00 Hours. The
RR's Involved Are Hoping To Get The Loaded Coal To Bingo In a 24 Hour Span.
P&W's 4 Units, Either 2 B40's Or 39's. & 2 Cabless Units Will Return From
Bingo On CP Trains Either 253 Or 165. & Dead Head Back To New London For The
Next Loaded Coal Train. The Other RR's Involve Mite...? Add More Power,
Pushers, Etc! So 4 P&W Units Will Be On These Loaded Coal Trains To & From
Binghamton,NY. To Members In The D&H & Bingo Groups. If.....? You Would Like
a Heads Up On These Coal Trains On The P&W...? I *Suggest* You Join The P&W
List. The URL To Join The P&W Discussion List is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ProvidenceandWorcesterRR/ <HB> P&W List
Owner. <V.F.P.T.>
Hello All, I Wanted To Post This News For Tomorrow, But Its Already Mention On
The D&H List. So I'll Post It Today. The P&W Will Be Running Around 8-9. Test
Coal Trains To Johnson City,NY. Vestal,NY..? The Coal Ship Alwine Oldendorf.
Is Due For Arrival At The Port Of Providence, Around 1-5-9. Or 12-13. Mid Jan.
From What i Here That If....? This Coal Burns Well At J.C. We Could Be
Seeing a 3 Year Contract, & The Opportunity To See P&W Handle Up To 300,000 Tons
Of Coal. P&W Will Provide The Coal Cars, They Are GCCX-GACX. Not Sure About
The B&M's.....? P&W Run Thru Power To Binghamton,NY. Via The
"Gate-Way-Route" P&W-NECR (New London,CT) -VRS-(Bellows Falls,VT) CP
(WhiteHall,NY) NS. (Binghamton,NY) 50 Loads On Each Train. 100 Cars In 1.5
Weeks! P&W Must Deliver The Loaded Coal Train To The NECR By 14:00 Hours. The
RR's Involved Are Hoping To Get The Loaded Coal To Bingo In a 24 Hour Span.
P&W's 4 Units, Either 2 B40's Or 39's. & 2 Cabless Units Will Return From
Bingo On CP Trains Either 253 Or 165. & Dead Head Back To New London For The
Next Loaded Coal Train. The Other RR's Involve Mite...? Add More Power,
Pushers, Etc! So 4 P&W Units Will Be On These Loaded Coal Trains To & From
Binghamton,NY. To Members In The D&H & Bingo Groups. If.....? You Would Like
a Heads Up On These Coal Trains On The P&W...? I *Suggest* You Join The P&W
List. The URL To Join The P&W Discussion List is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ProvidenceandWorcesterRR/ <HB> P&W List
Owner. <V.F.P.T.>
I'm not even sure that e-mail was in English.
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ZING! Ya got me.
Binghampton. It's next to Mechanicsville.
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Binghampton. It's next to Mechanicsville.
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Otto Vondrak wrote:I'm not even sure that e-mail was in English.Yes Thats In English Otto. That Info Is Correct By Andy. PW-NECR-VRS-CP-NS. Coal Ship From South Africa, Is Due In Providence,RI. Around 1-8- Or Now 1-12-13. The Coal Ship Is Enroute. But Running Late.. From What I Heard. I am Looking FWD: To Seeing/Watching P&W Run Thru Power To Binghamton,NY. 8-9 Test Coal Trains. PW 3901. :>)
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Last edited by pw3901 on Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Hey,
At least he didn't say Haver-hill! (Opps, sorry, Massachusets humor!)
But then, Otto, you didn't say Wor-ses-ter either, so you're ok with me!
LOL
Happy '06 all!
Cosmo
At least he didn't say Haver-hill! (Opps, sorry, Massachusets humor!)
But then, Otto, you didn't say Wor-ses-ter either, so you're ok with me!
LOL
Happy '06 all!
Cosmo
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It can't possibly be cheaper to ship coal here from the other side of the atlantic then haul it from Providence to Vermont and then to NY.
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If the Japanese were able to deliver steel to Lackawanna, NY cheaper than Bethleham Steel could throw it over the fence then it is possible for some body to deliver coal from Africa or South America at very cheap rates. Even with the circutuos routing via B&M and D&H. Will be fun to watch loaded coal going southbound up Richmondville and Belden Hills!
Dont you think it would be 10 times faster to send it up to CSX and have CSX take it west over the Boston Line to Selkirk and then run it up the Port Sub to D&H's Kenwood Yard and go from there?
Or it could go west someother way? You also have to remember that P&W-NEC-D&H routing is a marketing group designed to show some competition. P&W to B&M sound like a more practical marketing grouping but B&M is not in the game at this point. P&W to CSX is a shorter route but that negates the competitive angle of the venture.
It does seem way out of the way to operate all the way to Bellows Falls to Rutland to Whitehall but maybe the track is better enough than B&M and less congested than CSX to actually be viable competition.
It does seem way out of the way to operate all the way to Bellows Falls to Rutland to Whitehall but maybe the track is better enough than B&M and less congested than CSX to actually be viable competition.
Thats true. I've never really looked at it that way. Looks like we'll find out sooner or later how well this routing is working out for the coal trains.