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 #1464327  by Ronal U18C Indonesia
 
Certainly in your country have a methods depaturing of train are yet? In my country as this
1. Train Dispatcher lift up a lantern or stick green rounded sign
2. Next, his conductor sounding a whistle long sound
3. End this, machisinist sounding a train horn(it depends a machisinist mood when good mood sounding one long sound train horn, vice versa hehehehehe…………)
 #1464624  by george matthews
 
I think the British method was the same as in New Zealand, which presumably adopted the same methods when they started railways. The Guard/Conductor used to signal to the driver with a green flag, to indicate that all doors were closed.

However many new trains don't seem to have guards. Probably the driver is supposed to check the doors, whose condition is indicated by electronics in his cab. The Unions are protesting about the loss of the Guard/Conductor position and there have been several strikes about it.
 #1464635  by Ronal U18C Indonesia
 
george matthews wrote:I think the British method was the same as in New Zealand, which presumably adopted the same methods when they started railways. The Guard/Conductor used to signal to the driver with a green flag, to indicate that all doors were closed.

However many new trains don't seem to have guards. Probably the driver is supposed to check the doors, whose condition is indicated by electronics in his cab. The Unions are protesting about the loss of the Guard/Conductor position and there have been several strikes about it.
That's right why can be adopted because New Zealand and British are members of European Union
 #1464655  by Ronal U18C Indonesia
 
David Benton wrote:New Zealand is not in the EU, it is in the pacific, near Australia.
Britain is in the EU, but is currently planning to leave.
What is New Zealand is a colonial country of British? Because his methods are same
 #1464657  by Ronal U18C Indonesia
 
george matthews wrote:I think the British method was the same as in New Zealand, which presumably adopted the same methods when they started railways. The Guard/Conductor used to signal to the driver with a green flag, to indicate that all doors were closed.

However many new trains don't seem to have guards. Probably the driver is supposed to check the doors, whose condition is indicated by electronics in his cab. The Unions are protesting about the loss of the Guard/Conductor position and there have been several strikes about it.
Example is a freight train are yet? ;) ;)
 #1464661  by johnthefireman
 
According to the UK rule book (https://www.rssb.co.uk/rgs/rulebooks/GE ... ss%202.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), and simplifying somewhat as there are several pages of this for different types of train:

1. Platform staff must give the ‘station work complete’ or ‘train safety check complete’ signal by raising one arm or a dispatch bat above the head during daylight, or holding a white light steadily at night or during poor visibility.

2. Guard must give the ‘ready-to-start’ signal to the driver by using the bell or buzzer communication. If there is no bell or buzzer communication, s/he must give the
‘ready-to-start’ signal to the driver by displaying a green handsignal (flag or lamp). For a Driver Only train (ie no guard), platform staff must give the ‘ready-to-start’ signal to the driver by displaying a green handsignal or using a right away (RA) indicator.

You'll often see platform staff in Britain using the white dispatch bat. You'll also see the illuminated right away indicator on many platforms. Of course the driver cannot move the train until s/he has authority from the signaller, either a fixed signal at 'proceed' or whatever other method of train control is being used.

In South Africa, the ‘station work complete’ signal is a white flag or lamp, and the 'right away' is a green flag or lamp, although in practice it is often done by radio these days: "Right away, driver!"

The latest rule book I have for Kenya is the 1963 East African Railways and Harbours General Rules. 'Permission to start' is given by the station master to the guard verbally if possible, or by one arm raised high above the head or a white light held steadily above the head. 'Proceed' is given by the guard to the driver by a green flag waved above the head or a green light held steadily above the head. I'm not sure what method is used these days.
 #1464663  by johnthefireman
 
george matthews wrote:many new trains don't seem to have guards... the driver is supposed to check the doors, whose condition is indicated by electronics in his cab
Correct. From the rule book:
You [driver] must carry out the ‘train safety check’ on a DO train if there are no platform staff, using monitors or mirrors where provided. If you are unable to carry out the ‘train safety check’ from the cab because of defective monitors or mirrors or poor visibility, you must position yourself on the platform.
The ‘train safety check’ involves confirming that "the train doors are properly closed, nobody is trapped in the doors, for example by clothing, and it is safe to start the train."
 #1464664  by johnthefireman
 
Ronal U18C Indonesia wrote:"New Zealand is a colonial country of British? Because his methods are same
British railway influence can be seen in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia, Zimbabwe and probably a number of other former colonies and possessions. Canada seems to have been more influenced by the USA.
 #1464669  by george matthews
 
Ronal U18C Indonesia wrote:
george matthews wrote:I think the British method was the same as in New Zealand, which presumably adopted the same methods when they started railways. The Guard/Conductor used to signal to the driver with a green flag, to indicate that all doors were closed.

However many new trains don't seem to have guards. Probably the driver is supposed to check the doors, whose condition is indicated by electronics in his cab. The Unions are protesting about the loss of the Guard/Conductor position and there have been several strikes about it.
That's right why can be adopted because New Zealand and British are members of European Union
New Zealand is a member of the Commonwealth - formerly known as the British Commonwealth. Note that membership of the Commonwealth has no political implications - that is there is no political influence imposed on members. All the members are entirely independent. But NZ inherited several British practices from when it was first settled by the British, and ruled for a period by British governors. NZ has no membership of the European Union. The British government is apparently trying to leave the EU - though I don't understand why they want to do such a harmful thing. Whether they will actually succeed remains open to question. Britain has no powers over the NZ government, which is entirely independent.
Last edited by george matthews on Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:45 am, edited 1 time in total.
 #1464671  by george matthews
 
johnthefireman wrote:
Ronal U18C Indonesia wrote:"New Zealand is a colonial country of British? Because his methods are same
British railway influence can be seen in Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia, Zimbabwe and probably a number of other former colonies and possessions. Canada seems to have been more influenced by the USA.
Also Nigeria and Ghana - though in both those countries railways are fading away from lack of maintenance and indifference by the local governments.

A whole other set of formerly British railways can be seen in south Asia where those in India are flourishing. In Pakistan they are decaying from lack of maintenance and investment. Sri Lanka also has a system. Bangladesh and Myanmar (formerly Burma) also have former British lines.
 #1464750  by Benny
 
In Italy, anciently, the guard made checks (or, in case of long trains received the ok from the other conductors by shaking over the head an hand or a white light) and informed the station master that gave the starting order to the driver with a green disc bat.
In case of a secondary line without station masters but a sole train dispatcher for the entire line (dirigente unico) the guard had to made a registered phone call to receive the starting authorization and then order the move by voice, a small green flag or a green light.

Today, disappeared station masters, is the green signal that gives permission to start: if there is the guard he can directly order starting, equally by voice, flag or green light, needing only the green signal (naturally after door closing); in case of the sole driver, he can start of his own when the signal opens.

Ciao :wink:
 #1464840  by ExCon90
 
In America the signal to depart is normally given by the conductor. Until the latter part of the 20th century there was a compressed-air signal system on passenger trains such that every car in the train had a valve in the vestibule at each end, all connected with the locomotive in such a way that when the conductor opened any valve by pulling the attached cord a high-pitched, piercing whistle (loud enough to be heard in the cab of a steam engine) was sounded on the engine. There was an assortment of signals:
_ _ When standing, start; when running, stop.
_ _ _ When standing, back up; when running, stop at next station (used for request stops)
Modern electric multiple-unit trains mostly have electric buzzers to transmit the classic "two-to-go." I'm not sure how it works today on long-distance passenger trains hauled by locomotives; maybe someone currently in service can answer this.
In Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Belgium there are fixed illuminated light signals mounted on the platform in a position visible to both the driver and guard, activated in the past by the stationmaster but currently by the guard or conductor when all the doors are closed and the block signal is seen to be clear (or a repeater on the platform indicates that it's clear).
In Britain the larger stations also have fixed signals on the platform that display RA (for Right, Away) to replace the hand signals posted above.