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henry6

I DID TALK WITH

Post by henry6 »

I did talk with Mike Delvechio several years about this and he told me that R&R did not own most of the fiction copyrights, that Saturday Evening Post and the writers' families did for most of them.

Also note that Freeman Hubbard in the 60's and 70's, realizing the end was near for the magazine, realizing that there were many who had not read a majority of the fiction, realizing that he had no other materials being submitted, and realizing that the magazine had no money to pay for articles, did in fact reprint most of the fiction stories from the 30s, 40s, and early 50s in the magazine right up to the end.

JoeG

Post by JoeG »

I saw that the Harry Bedwell novel, The Boomer: A Story of the Rails, has been re-issued in paperback and is available at Amazon. This novel features Eddie Sand. I remember some Eddie Sand stories from Railroad Magazine, and I don't know if they were taken from the novel or if Bedwell wrote other Eddie Sand stories. The book was originally issued in 1942. I ordered the book so I guess I'll find out. A couple of years ago a small publisher re-issued 3 Frank Spearman novels from the early years of the last century. I read them but found them tough going. At least 2 of them are still available on Amazon.

UPRR engineer

Post by UPRR engineer »

Besides the fictional stories, ill be posting a good deal of what i have to share in the Railroad Archeology section.

pjb
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Eddie Sand and Magazine Fiction of all kinds

Post by pjb »

Eddie Sand stories appeared in a host of serialized, as well as single
episode stories. Bedwell's work was serialized in SATEVEPOST,
and the Frank Munsey owned RAILIROAD magazine. Generally,
the former were better editted into more literary pieces, and
had a wider audience appeal than those produced in RAILROAD.
The Popular Publications RAILROAD had some original Bedwell
stuff, but less than the earlier pulps.
You should understand that the market for periodical fiction
collapsed in the 1950s, secondary to the coming of home TVs
that changed the nature of the use of leisure time. Network
TV, which raised the standard of programming at least through
the mid '60s, and the publics acceptance of the desirable role
of bringing the family together for this communal after dinner
viewing of the evening's fare, led to the demise of almost all
the major players in periodicals featuring fiction.
A number of factors ranging from divorce's impact upon
the family to the coming of multiple TV sets , and later cable
broadcasting revived new fictions impact upon the culture
at least through the 80's.

However, the short story in America never recovered from
the destruction of its periodical base. New short stories are
pretty much restricted to academic and "art" type journals
with high price tags and dependent upon writers themselves
for large shares of their audiences.

"If you wasn't there Charlie", certainly applies to attempting
to try to explain what a newstand of the 1940s looked like to
anyone who was: a Baby Boomer, a Gen Xer, Gen Yer, and
the Millenials - how different the selection was from their eras.
The vast sections devoted to : Skin Mags, Motorcycles and
Autos; FireArms: Military History; Home Repair: Woodworking;
Crocheting and Knitting;Beading and Jewelry; all forms related
to miniatures regardless of type (i.e.whether Doll House related
or Die Cast Collecting and all else); all of the gourmet and
gourmand related mags; all of the travel magazines and
regional publications (e.g. YANKEE and DOWN EAST were only
sold in New England and at select main magazine dealers in
Great Cities that usually also sold out of town and foreign
newspapers); all computer, electronic, and publications
dealing with then nonexistent technology; all gambling and
socailly unacceptable or nonextant pastimes; DID NO EXIST
IN WORLD WAR 2 AND EARLIER.
Understand there were a handful of magazines in a category
say outdoors and hunting. FIELD and STREAM, OUTDOOR LIFE.
HARDING'S MAGAZINE (a/ka/ Fur Fish & Game), SHOTGUN
NEWS, and a couple more. Firstly, the readership was less
affluent than later, and secondly the adverts in these magazines
often included ads for major sporting goods (remember,
fire arms were distributed through the mail and were sold
new by all the major mail order houses as well as by the
mail order gun and fish gear players), and the existance of
fair trade prices encouraged people to shop locally if they had
the cash. The latter, because your local outdoor dealer
would throw in a box of free cartidges for a gun purchase to
keep you from buying one on time from Sears or MonkeyWard,
were players to a greater extent than currently.
Only general women's magazines like McCall's, Redbook,
Chatelaine, and others like them were on newstands. This
didn't mean that there weren't hundreds of copies of various
knitting, crocheting, and sewing related softcovers around.
However, you got them at a fabric, or yarn store or in the
notions/sewing section of your local WOOLWORTHs or
other 5&10 cent store, or in a department store. Hobby Shops
sold fair trade priced goods, and carried periodicals related to
the products. Generally speaking, only the coin magazine
and the two stamp collecting monthlys were to be found in a
large newstands periodical section. People who wanted to
learn how to do something technical, bought a book from
Theodore Audel or a more specialized source (e.g. National
Lockmakers School), and that was how it was.

In other words, and I know this has taken too long for most
of you; an entirely different audience, operating in a world
of entirely different economic as well as technological
constraints, read the large available short story world.
It was not only a pulp fiction world with dozens of monthly
magazines having broad fields like: sports; western; romance;
sci-fi; true tales of action and adventure as well as fiction
about same- it also had magazines dealing with both a
mixed subject matter but were specialized such as the
beloved RAILROAD which started this thread, and its
companions dealing with the sea, and other specialized
areas. It also was a world where fiction was a staple in
mass marketted weekly (e.g. COLLIERr's, SATEVEPOST),
and monthly periodicals. They helped produce many people
who became literary giants, for better or worse - but most
of all they served the North American populations needs
of that time. :-) Good- Luck, pjb

UPRR engineer

Post by UPRR engineer »

Nicolai3985 wrote:I do a similar thing for news articles that I want to save from magazines or newspapers: I use my scanner's optical character recognition (OCR) software (don't be wary, it's pretty much a standard feature these days) to get the text, then scan in the photos, combine them all into a Word document with small margins, then convert them to PDF's. This way, the text is searchable, and all of the text and photo files are combined into a single PDF file. And, since the source is a basic word document, these PDFs do not take forever to load.

Like others have mentioned, though, copyright issues are the biggest obstacle to this project. Look at what Google is going through with their digital library initiative.

-Nick
Got a scanner there buddy, trying to figure out where the OCR is now, is the option on your scanner before it starts. (worked lastnight still trying to wake up) I might figure it out, might not.

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Post by Noel Weaver »

Seems to me that I have seen old articles from "Trains" on various sites
and in various publications. I would suspect that permission from "Trains"
is possible especially on something like this which is "not for profit".
I second the motion about a scanner, they are nowhere near as expensive
as they once were and do a reasonable job on articles and pictures.
There is a scanner listed in the September Dell catalog for $89.00 and it is
a combination printer, copier and scanner. The hardest thing for me was
learning how to use the one that I have but most of you can master that
without a big problem.
Noel Weaver

henry6

AGAIN I WARN

Post by henry6 »

Again I warn about the usage of previously published and copyright material. You may copy or cite certain amounts but wholesale reproduction of pages, articles, and publications without written and cited permission of the current copyright holder or original publisher can get this site into big trouble.

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Post by Otto Vondrak »

Yes, please don't replicate copyrighted material without permission from the owner of the copyright. Last thing we need are a bunch of nasty cease and desist letters coming in from Carstens. Why not place a call to Newton, NJ and see if there is an issue with old Railroad magazine content?
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Post by UPRR engineer »

I called them there Otto, said i could do what ever i wanted to, with what i had as long as i noted (or gave credit to) Carstens Publications at the end. The stories, articles, pictures...... Got the scanner, hopefully i'll figure out the word to text thing soon. Where do we go now? Ready to share, where, what, and when buddy?

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Railroad Stories, January 1936
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Fiction and True Tales
...........
Engine Picture Kid in Ethiopia (short story)........Engine Picture Kid pg.4
Lace for Lena (short story).....................................Ed. Pugsley pg.24
Phantom City (novelette)...............................E. S. Dellinger pg,42
The Engine Wiper (short story).....................Frank L. Packard pg.111
Running the Gauntlet (true tale)..................E. H. Webster pg.121
The Wreck at St. Thomas (true tale)..........Thomas J Hayhoe pg.125
My Happiest Christmas (true tale).................W. E. Butler pg.126

Illustrated Features
.............
The Pipe-Line Fight.................................Jim Holden pg.18
Forney's Iron Horse...............................Arthur Curran pg.37
Ethiopia's First Iron Horse (not illustrated)................pg.79
Locomotives of the Louisville & Nashville Railroad.......pg.88
The Highest Road East of the Mississippi............Chas. Carpenter pg.91
Who's Who in the Crew (Ed. Pugsley).............Stookie Allen pg.99
A Tiny Scrap of Paper...............................N. A. Critchett pg.100
January in Rail History...............................................pg.106

Six Popular Departments
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The Boomer Trail.................................pg.35
By the Light of the Lantern....................pg.80
International Engine Picture Club............pg.92
The Sunny Side of the Track..................pg.105
On the Spot........................................pg.129
Model Railroading...............................pg.138

Carstens Publications, Railroad Stories Magazine

UPRR engineer

Post by UPRR engineer »

Still no luck with Carstens replying to my emails.

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