New York State Roundhouses

[scottychaos]

Scot, The pic of the roundhouse looks larger than the one in Kingston, plus it's lacking the office, crew room and shop, but my memory could be faulty. The turntable pit has been mostly filled in, but you can see some of it from Rte 9W, between MAC Fitness and Miron Cement. Although the roundhouse area is now fenced, you can get a better look by parking at MAC and carefully walking south along the passing track. There's more than enough room to do so, but the footing isn't the best. The remains of the roundhouse and turntable pit will be on your left.

Paul,
is this it?

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=qzrw90 ... vl=2&sty=b

41.95266586727669 -73.99190521390453

If you enter those cooridinates in the "search" field in Bing Maps, it will take you right to the circular dirt pile im looking at..
zoom in, then switch to birds-eye view.

there is a vaguely circular area at the gravel pit..
cant really see a pit wall..but thats the only thing I can see that looks like it could be it.

thanks,
Scot

[nydepot]

It's north of there.

West Shore - Kingston
41.953269,-73.992088

if you look on Google you can see the back curved wall and the sides coming down (faint outline).

On the most recent topo map (1986), the TT is still there. (terraserver.microsoft.com)

Charles

[nydepot]

Scot - for you to update your list....

Charles


NY&H Chatham (1888) (pred of B&A or Rutland?)
42.359523,-73.600438

NYC Hudson
42.256368,-73.797556

B&A Hudson (7 stall?)
42.251701,-73.796416

Troy & Boston (D&H or B&M) Troy (1881)
42.742533,-73.68129

NYC Schenectady (11 + 7 + TT)
42.819191,-73.94111

D&H Schenectady (7+)
42.831608,-73.925296

Buffalo & Southwestern (Erie) Jamestown (1881)
42.093959,-79.250253

UPDATE --- BR&P Rochester
43.150427,-77.653159

CORRECTION --- South Buffalo Railroad - Buffalo - 42°51'24.65N,78°50'53.66W,Buffalo,South Buffalo,,,,,,Historic,
This one should be BR&P.

UPDATE --- DL&W East Binghamton
42.096565,-75.853332

UPDATE --- Canadian Pacific Binghamton
42.098137,-75.85713

UPDATE --- D&H Binghamton
42.113957,-75.890561

UPDATE --- Erie Elmira
42° 5'35.89N,76°48'24.87W

UPDATE --- Erie Corning
42.143752,-77.06318

UPDATE --- Erie Buffalo
42.878887,-78.818734

UPDATE --- NYC Buffalo (Near BCT 360, degree RH)
42.893913,-78.818058

Update --- LV Buffalo Tiftt
42°51'18.01N,78°51'3.53W

NYC Buffalo (TT only 1915)
42.877024,-78.852562

UPDATE - LV Buffalo (Dingens only 1 RH in 1915)
42.878319,-78.803591

Update - NKP Buffalo
42.863821,-78.848247

Update --- Erie Rochester
43.145789,-77.613484

Update - LV Manchester
42.964961,-77.234498

Update --- LV Rochester
43.147947,-77.608892

Update --- NYC - Niagara Falls
43.111994,-79.026643

Erie Niagara Falls
43.108947,-79.050005

Update --- RWO Irondequoit
43.251529,-77.604911

Update --- NYC Rochester (Goodman)
43.155461,-77.571555

Yes, two different NYC RH in Itica
43° 6'27.49N,75°14'13.15W,Utica,NYC,,,,,,Historic,,
43° 6'28.96N,75°14'1.62W,Utica,RW&O,,,,,,Active,,

Update --- NYC/WS Buffalo
42°54'2.98N,78°48'48.07W

Update --- NYO&W Norwich
42.526934,-75.515471

Update --- PRR Sodus Point
43.266343,-76.997434

Update --- PRR Olean (Reuse)
42.089604,-78.43999

Update --- PRR Rochester (in the canal!)
43.122796,-77.644887

West Shore - Kingston
41.953269,-73.992088

[Kuyahoora Valley]

NYC (RW&O) - Utica - 43° 6'28.96N,75°14'1.62W,Utica,RW&O,,,,,,Active

Scot: I believe this is the same one you have listed as:

NYC - Utica - re-use -

The RW&O roundhouse, later NYC is Re-use...the pit has been filled in/paved over long ago. There are no active roundhouses in Utica.

Additionally, the Utica DL&W turntable pit is still there and I believe the bridge is still intact, although it's very grown up with trees and hard to spot when driving by on Route 12.

If you plan on listing turntables that never had roundhouses, the pit in Remsen has been excavated but no bridge (should be U&BR/RW&O/NYC); there was a turntable in Lake Placid (D&H/NYC), pit recently covered over by parking lot; there's an operable turntable in North Creek (D&H).

Kudish's book Railroads of the Adirondacks has a complete list of turntables and which ones had roundhouses.

Another roundhouse that was used by Mohawk and Malone/NYC was destroyed in a explosion in 1901 in Herkimer. I believe it was in the vicinity of the Route 5/Route 28 intersection.

[scottychaos]

Thanks Charles and KV!
I will add all your new cooridinates and data..

(I have Erie-Rochester pegged *just* a bit south and east! center of the turntable basically in the middle of Exchange..but we are both very close!)

I am *not* seeing that Kingston turntable!
either on google maps or bing..
I see nothing in that vacant lot..oh well..im sure its there!


Check out NYC Gardenville:

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=r4d0c9 ... vl=1&sty=b

42.880347205740826 -78.74126344580764

I bet those people have some interesting artifacts buried in their backyards!
they probably dont even know it..
(and probably some nasty gunky stuff too..it looks like those suburban yards are built right over the railroad yard..)

(thats the larger northern roundhouse..there was a second, smaller one a bit to the south)

thanks,
Scot

[tree68]

A few turntables without roundhouses that I'm aware of:

Clayton, NY, turntable only, historic, Utica & Black River or RW&O:

N 44.24146 W 76.08174

Lowville, NY, Lowville & Beaver River. Turntable bridge still there last I knew. No roundhouse, possible engine house adjacent:

N 43.78920 W 75.48697

Fulton Chain (now Thendara), turntable only, historic, Mohawk & Malone or NYC - not sure when it was built.

N 43.69798 W 75.00594

Remsen, NY, turntable only, probably RW&O, possibly Mohawk & Malone or predecessor. Pit still there.

N 43.33105 W 75.18575

Lake Placid, NY, turntable w/engine house (no roundhouse). Historic. Possibly built by D&H (ca 1906) Pit filled in but visible in satellite photos.

N 44.27570 W 73.98702

Some info above from Kudish, Volume 2.

Kudish's Volume 3, covering the eastern Adirondacks, would be a good place to seek out roundhouses and turntables from that region, if someone wants to dig.

[nydepot]

I am *not* seeing that Kingston turntable!
either on google maps or bing..
I see nothing in that vacant lot..oh well..im sure its there!

thanks,
Scot

Hope this shows it better.

Charles

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The red (poorly done in Paint) corners lines mark the back corner of the RH. I see little evidence of the pit now that it's filled in.

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[nydepot]

NYC - Buffalo (Gardenville) - 42°52'40.63N,78°44'27.05W,Buffalo (Gardenville),NYC,,,,,,Historic,
NYC - Buffalo (Gardenville) - NYC,,,,,,Historic, (there was a large and a small roundhouse at Gardenville)

Scot,

I think yours must be the small one and the one with coord' listed above the larger one.

[Paul W. Brasky]

Scott, That's it! I don't know what ever became of the turntable though.

[westshore94706]

In Utica, I know of at least 5 roundhouses existing and historic - pardon me if I don't list coordinates -

New York Central - north side of mainline at point where branch to Remsen/Thendera splits ( opposite O+W yard)
New York Central - north side of tracks, opposite Culver Ave ( near the current location of the water treatment plant)( historic)
O+W - Water street (historic) - near Potter Street
O+W - Canal Yard (historic) - near current Burrston Rd overpass
DL+W - Oriskany Boulevard - (historic)

[nydepot]

Updated again. I copied and pasted wrong:

Erie East Buffalo
42°52'43.00"N, 78°49'13.40"W

[sd80mac]

The red (poorly done in Paint) corners lines mark the back corner of the RH. I see little evidence of the pit now that it's filled in.

the old map does help. but the picture dont. I looked into NYSDOT's own map and found a 1994 arieal shot. WHOLE area was full of hundreds pile of fills which has not been level out yet. so that basically wiped out any hint of foundations. they are probably buried few feet under the fills.

Tomorrow, I will try to see if I can copy and paste the photo of 1994 arieal shot.

[nydepot]

The 1907 Plat maps for Uitca show your 1st NYC RH. They don't show a RH near Culver (sewage plant). They show the other NYC RH just NW of the O&W off Potter. It's right under the northbound on-ramp to I790. BTW, they moved a lot of cemeteries in that area to build all the highways.

The O&W Canal Yard only shows a water tower, no TT or RH. Any idea when they were added?

DL&W is shown.

NYC on left, O&W on right near Potter:

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In Utica, I know of at least 5 roundhouses existing and historic - pardon me if I don't list coordinates -

New York Central - north side of mainline at point where branch to Remsen/Thendera splits ( opposite O+W yard)
New York Central - north side of tracks, opposite Culver Ave ( near the current location of the water treatment plant)( historic)
O+W - Water street (historic) - near Potter Street
O+W - Canal Yard (historic) - near current Burrston Rd overpass
DL+W - Oriskany Boulevard - (historic)

[Kuyahoora Valley]

There was a little supplement to the Utica paper in 1986 called Rails...Along the Mohawk. Has some old photographs. One is a picture of a iron truss foot bridge that went across the mainline from Culver Ave to the roundhouse. It states that the roundhouse was built in 1912 and torn down in the 50s. Ironically the footbridge still exists and was installed at a sand and gravel plant in Poland, NY around 1970.

I had always heard that the O&W roundhouse by Burrstone Rd was roughly where the Scheidleman's Warehouse is today. I've never seen a picture of it.

[tree68]

Reaching waaaaaaaay back - historic, no traces found in the satellite images:

Richland: N 43.56736 W 76.05087

From Hungerfords "The Story of the Rome, Watertown, and Ogdensburgh Railroad."

Per the book, it was built in the mid-1850's. No mention of a roundhouse, so this goes in the "turntable only" column.

I wasn't even looking for roundhouses. I was researching some info relating to a 1919 conductor and trainman seniority listing of the St Lawrence and Ontario Divisions of the NYC. Interesting document - some folks with dates into the 1880's. Most senior: W.D. Carnes, July 4, 1882.