• B&P derails in East Aurora Here are some pics- 5-19-2020

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  by BR&P
 
RailKevin wrote:Why does this siding even exist?
I don't know, but I'll bet that after this, it won't be back!

Somewhere, there are some VERY scared kids fearfully waiting for a knock on their parents' door!
  by MarkT
 
I've got a drone pic from someone's FB page, the train for sure took the switch and the lead engine went down the hill between Subway & Rileys. From engine south all the cars are on the siding until the switch where the cars go further south.

The video above is excellent! If MOW is in that area, did they leave switch open. To SST's point, ties are all over West Seneca
  by ctclark1
 
I'm more inclined to agree that there are some anxious kids somewhere in the village, but it is possible there was some MOW equipment tied down there that was moved earlier in the day. Its all speculation at this point. Also, unless SST knows that the ties were recently put there... Ties have been known to sit for months before being installed, it's not always an immediate thing.

This stub was the only connected switch left between CP GRAVITY and the north end of the passing siding at CP WALES (MP 22). All others have been removed, including the spur into Steuben Foods and the Team Track near Pound Rd, so it makes sense that they'd keep one intact for MOW tie-down and bad car setouts. This particular siding used to be connected at both ends with a stub to the north and spur into the Fisher-Price plant, but was stub ended to the Main St bridge between 2011 and 2014.

I brought up the question about the relay box at the switch above because, were the signal system still in service, there was a set of Auto signals a little over a mile south, would these have indicated the open switch in advance? (I don't know a lot about PRR signal aspects, so I don't know if they would even be capable of doing so)

PS, I know it's likely with the signal system out of service that CP WALES, it's counterpart at the siding's south end CP PERRY, and even CP MACHIAS are probably no longer considered control points, but they make convenient naming points from the track charts. I'm not even sure if GRAVITY is still considered a CP or just a "station" in the sense of a location along the line.
  by TrainDetainer
 
If the signal system were still in service the next signals in both directions would have been at stop and proceed (or stop if a CP) and the train would have been at restricted speed through the block, looking out for switches not properly lined. That assuming the vandals weren't sophisticated enough to know how to defeat the signal system or threw the switch after the train passed the nearest favorable signal, which would have had the train still hitting the switch at speed.
  by RMB357
 
Remaining tank cars that took siding were re railed on siding track which they patched up and reconnected to main line. They are going to pull those out and then remove the siding switch forever. Engines were lumped back to Buffalo earlier today. Rest of train will be taken to Buffalo at 5mph. They are currently trying to re rail one of the center beams from secondary derailment. The one center beam is giving them issues right now
  by RMB357
 
Line re opened, first train went through last night, track for now is 10mph in area. Center beam and hopper left by ball park to be scrapped on site.
  by SST
 
It has been a good year since I've traveled down the 400 expressway especially during daylight. I have no idea when those bundles were dropped. But what I did notice on these new bundles, is the color. They look like untreated wood. They are not the traditional black ties that I usually see. I wonder where they got them. There is a plant in Dubois that specializes in pressure treated wood including ties. The track goes right past it.

https://www.stella-jones.com/en/products/railway-ties