lensovet wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:07 am
You don't mind, other people do. Why do you think LIRR is tunneling to GCT? Because people don't like switching to the subway either. Why did property values on the M&E explode after Midtown Direct service launched? Because people don't want to be bothered with a ferry. Especially in the northeast, where we have real weather and no one wants to be stuck on a ferry in the middle of a storm.
Lets put it in context here. You're coming in on the LIRR. You work near Wall Street. Yeah, you're an investment banker but you don't make enough to afford your own private helicopter to the office. Lets face it, you ain't Warren Buffet. So you're stuck getting off at Hunters Point Avenue and transferring to the 7 to Grand Central, then jamming yourself into a 4 or 5 to get to Wall Street; or you're getting off at Long Island City to take a ferry to a bus to the subway, and you'll have to transfer anyway inside the subway; or you're going all the way to Penn Station and grabbing the 2 or 3 to get to Wall Street, having to back-track, effectively.
Remember, pre-pandemic the 4/5/6 were jammed full and running over capacity, thus why they're (finally) building the 2nd Ave line to lighten the load up on that. What LIRR to GCT would do? Well, lighten up a bit of Penn but dump a lot of folks onto the 4/5/6/7 and 42nd street Shuttle. It'll shake up a lot of stuff and it'll take some time to settle back down.
Meanwhile, the ferries require you to get off at Hoboken and grab a light rail line to the ferry (maybe a bus between it and the ferry) and then the ferry over... and then another bus to a stop closer to your destination or the subway.
Here's the other thing to consider: Remember, PATH goes to WTC, Newark Penn, and Hoboken. You could skip half the mess entirely if you were coming in from New Jersey. Just how many people tried the MidTown Direct only to switch back to going to Hoboken/Newark and taking PATH because it was quicker?
I really think the ferries exist because everything else was full.