belpaire wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:53 pmIf this were at a 20 foot depth, a handicapped person might get carried up. But at this depth, there are lots of people who can't make it up and would be stranded. If summer, the heat could kill them. It's not the joke you imply it is. Though I'd guess that MTA Construction considers it a joke.photobug56 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:11 pm but you also need emergency power for escalatorsYou do know what escalators become when they're not powered, don't you?
belpaire wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:53 pmThose will be lo-o-o-o-ong escalators, and there are no intermediate landings on dead escalators; if somebody needs to stop and get their breath, everybody behind them stops while they struggle to cope. It could be a real problem for EMS people to get a stretcher halfway down and then back up with somebody on it.photobug56 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:11 pm but you also need emergency power for escalatorsYou do know what escalators become when they're not powered, don't you?
photobug56 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 05, 2021 5:15 pm That matches my understanding. At the time, it was thought that MNRR had sufficient unused trackage in GCT for adding ESA but wanted nothing to do with it. And there would have been issues; would you use consists with dual upper lower third rail shoes, for instance. But experts in the field felt it was doable, and at much lower cost. Regardless, much of the cost of ESA is related to, supposedly, incompetence, lack of supervision, nepotism, massive numbers of workers without actual work to do, excessive tool spec requirements and the like.You're not far off the mark; certainly, the costs on projects in NY are much higher. I also think they grossly underestimated the complexity of the project.
photobug56 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 4:42 pm They kept budget over runs down by eliminating a station, as I recall.Yes they did. The shell of the station was built and the signaling supports a dwell time there, but they sold off the property where the station entrance was supposed to be and it's basically cut off. worked out OK unless you were planning on making that your station..