• Stopped trains on NS Chicago line

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Discussion relating to the NS operations. Official web site can be found here: NSCORP.COM.
  by GRSdave
Been reading stories from the Cleveland Plain Dealer/Ohio.com where residents in North Olmsted, Ohio are upset
with Norfolk Southern trains stopped on the tracks during morning rush hour, etc...

It seems Norfolk Southern likes to lean the blame towards the crews and not the dispatching of their own system.

They block streets for crew changes per NS. You would think a crew change would occur before North Olmsted and not in Berea which hampers residents trips to work and school in the morning.

I guess PSR has lengthened the trains.

https://www.cleveland.com/community/202 ... otter.html
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  by twropr
I've also heard about recrews at CP 285/Vickers, which is about 3 miles east of Toledo. Again, this ties up village streets and unnecessarily delays Amtrak's CAPITOL and LAKE SHORE LIMITED. The train dispatchers merely do as they are told. I have not heard of CSX moving crew changes to outside of their yards.
  by shlustig
On Friday 11/19, I had occasion to be at Olmsted Falls (which is the 1st community west of Berea on the NS (x-CR, PC, NYC mainline) and found all of the xgs in that town blocked by an intermodal train stopped on the controlled siding. The nearest available detours are Barrett Rd. in Berea and Fitch Rd. to the west. Both detours are about 4 miles in length.

Going to Fitch Rd. overpass, I observed the engines of the stopped train at the old (replaced) Fitch Rd. grade xg.

Had the train stopped at the next xg west (Bronson Rd.), all of the xgs in the Falls would have been cleared.

I don't know how long before the train proceeded, but it was less than the 6+-hour blockage which occurred a week previously.

Aside from disrupting the school bus routes and complicating any emergency response runs, there is the additional issue of NS not notifying the local emergency dispatch centers of the blockade. Fortunately, that did not result in complication of any calls for police, fire, or EMT services. However, should that occur, NS could be held liable.
  by GRSdave
More of the same in Olmsted Falls. Also, once in a while they will block McCracken Road in Garfield Hts just north of the Maple Hts Intermodal Yard in the morning during rush hour on the Pittsburgh Line. It sucks.

https://www.cleveland.com/community/202 ... otter.html

No disrespect but stopping a train for a crew change on crossings that will block motorists, school busses and emergency vehicles during rush hour is not exactly a precise decision. How does this fit in precision scheduled railroading (PSR)?

It does not!

And Norfolk Southern communicating this to a government agency is just an excuse for something else that I call bad planning.
  by GRSdave
Yes, more of the same! Read the entire blotter as there were train stoppages from December 2nd to December to
December 7th.

Here is the headline from Cleveland.com:

"Stopped train causes five-hour traffic snarl during rush hour: Olmsted Falls Police Blotter"

https://www.cleveland.com/community/202 ... otter.html
  by GRSdave
Eastbound NS crew changes on the Chicago Line should occur at Old Fitch Road west of the Fitch Road bridge. These trains would not bother the busy crossings closer to Olmsted Falls proper. Thats about 2.5 miles to the west of Berea.
  by GRSdave
Norfolk Southern with more stopped trains in Olmsted Falls.

(Fair Use Doctrine)

"Stopped train: Columbia Road

Police received calls at 8 p.m. Jan. 17 that the railroad track crossings were blocked at Brookside, Columbia and Lewis roads. The Norfolk Southern Railway was contacted but no one could explain the reason for the stopped train. The city gave three citations to the railway. All crossings were open at 10:33 p.m.

Stopped train: Mapleway Drive

Police were called at 6:52 a.m. Jan. 18 to assist in getting a school bus to Bagley Road since a stopped train blocked several railroad crossings in the city. The Norfolk Southern Railway told police there was a crew working on the train at 8:12 a.m., however, other crossings then became blocked. The railway could not give a time when the train would move. The train cleared the area at 9:15 a.m."