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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:30 pm
by gokeefe
Looks at those windows!

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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:31 pm
by gokeefe
And for the paint people I think this is now technically "Phase VI" ... So off to the races on a decade long discussion of that one ...

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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:41 pm
by Gilbert B Norman
Which agency is getting those cars?

Other thought; is that photo even authentic?

Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:10 pm
by Backshophoss
Is that set of cars headed to pueblo for testing??
The "tri-color" set could be the Mid-west prototypes.
The Caltrains set was shot at Emeryville yard.

Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:18 pm
by Matt Johnson
Gilbert B Norman wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:41 pm Which agency is getting those cars?

Other thought; is that photo even authentic?
Definitely authentic. 31 sec mark here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHlrxut4Wcw

Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:12 am
by flexliner
Ok could someone explain why the cars nearest the engines on both ends have doors both vestibules with the one closest to the engine seemingly high and the other end long with folding steps. While the center cars have only one long door with the other vestibule sealed off.
What different car types are there.


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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:10 am
by bostontrainguy
Gilbert B Norman wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:41 pm Which agency is getting those cars?

Other thought; is that photo even authentic?
Check this out at the 10 minute mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaSQ8l6ue0I

Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:26 am
by Gilbert B Norman
OK; interesting to learn that some of the Siemens cars will be liveried in "Phase Retro". Since there are three - CA, IL, MI - state level agencies that have ordered these cars (and msybe a fourth- MO), I’m wondering which ones wanted that livery.

But I think rail passenger service will be the better for having those cars in service, if my personal experiences with their "siblings" - Brightline and Overseas (AT, DE) are any measurement.

Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:22 am
by NH2060
That is the ugliest Amtrak train I have ever seen. Seriously, who thought that large red stripe on the bottom was a good idea? The Midwest livery as used on the Chargers was perfect. And the renderings of the IDOT coaches looked very sharp.

And as stupid as the Caltrans cars look with that "action yellow" and multi-tone blue stripe at the bottom (once again the renderings were better than the finished product) at least it "looks California-ish" much like how the Brightline cars have that "Florida look" to them.

I sure hope the regular Amtrak, WSDOT and VIA Rail cars will look better :P

Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:28 pm
by west point
We may think about the paint jobs are to reduce the possibility of someone running into the side of the train. Has anyone noticed if the paint is reflective at night ?

Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:14 pm
by R36 Combine Coach
Matt Johnson wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:48 pm There are cab cars on order but they don't look like NJ Transit Comet cabs or whatever...they have streamlined, crash protection designed cabs.
Newer "safety cabs", seen first on Metrolink's Rotem fleet and on GO Transit's new BBD fleet starting in 2015.

Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:14 pm
by ST Saint
A little lunch time boredom in PowerPoint. It looks like the liveries will still mismatch some since the graphics flare up on the rear of the Charger. I just don't understand it.. Does anyone think they'll adapt the Chargers by removing the fins on the Cali units and matching the striping?

Regardless, still very excited to see new cars rolling out. Hopefully for Amtrak proper (and maybe Cascades?) they will have a livery that makes sense for existing chargers or whatever the ALC-42 will look like.
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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:26 pm
by Pensyfan19
ST Saint wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:14 pm A little lunch time boredom in PowerPoint. It looks like the liveries will still mismatch some since the graphics flare up on the rear of the Charger. I just don't understand it.. Does anyone think they'll adapt the Chargers by removing the fins on the Cali units and matching the striping?

Regardless, still very excited to see new cars rolling out. Hopefully for Amtrak proper (and maybe Cascades?) they will have a livery that makes sense for existing chargers or whatever the ALC-42 will look like.
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The livery on the back of the charger doesn't match up with the rest of the coaches. Same thing applies for the CALDOT coaches. In terms of aesthetically pleasing locomotive and coach designs, either the Chargers or the Venture coaches need to go through a major repainting process in order for both of the ends to match up correctly.

This should emphasize my point, when comparing what we have now to the original concept art for these coaches.

https://slideplayer.com/slide/13968865/ (skip to slide 10)

Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:51 pm
by gokeefe
Any interior shots out there? I can't recall seeing a single one ...

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Re: Siemens Single Level Cars for CA/IL/Midwest

PostPosted:Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:36 pm
by flexliner
slide 11 describes the car types I asked about
by why a different number of doors for different car types?
why not standard 4 doors per car except cab cars?