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Discussion of the operations of CSX Transportation, from 1980 to the present. Official site can be found here: CSXT.COM.

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 #23390  by ashley2771
 
I heard recently that CSX was considering reopening the Gross, FL cutoff that was closed in the 70's or 80s as a relief valve for congestion between Jacksonville and Waycross. Trains would be able to access then go up to Bladen and access Waycross off the Brunswick sub. This would obviously take a considerable investment. Anyone else heard this?

 #23404  by ACLfan
 
Yeah, I've heard that rumor. It seems to circulate about every two or more years. There are several problems that will have to be overcome in order for the rumor to become reality:

Problem #1: CSX lost some r/w east of Callahan for various reasons, including sell-offs and public highway improvements. Result: Additional land will need to be purchased in order to create a sufficient amount of r/w for a new trackbed.

Problem #2: This is the BIG problem! In their typical short-sighted decision-making style, the CSX head-shed types decided to ABANDON the remnant portion of the former Seaboard line north of Woodbine, GA., effectively severing the previous connection with the ex-ACL line between Waycross and Brunswick, GA. Apparently, CSX did not have any ideas about the possibility of the future usage of that portion of the line. At least they didn't quite "burn their bridges", as the old saying goes. Instead, they demolished them! Like the massive steel bridge across the Satilla River north of Woodbine! So, to reactivate this connector, CSX will have to engage in some serious bridge rebuiding in addition to regular r/w rehabilitation efforts!

Would you believe that trains to/from Fernandina Beach, FL and the St. Marys RR connection in Kingsland, GA are still handled out of Rice Yard in Waycross, GA!!!! These trains operate on the CSX mainline south of Waycross, GA, through the "Folkston Funnel" to a junction near CSX's Moncrief Yard in Jacksonville, hop over to the former SAL line in N. Jax, and use the former SAL line between Jacksonville and Kingsland, GA to reach Fernandina Beach and the St. Marys RR connection, and return to Waycross via the same roundabout route! Yes! that certainly contributes to CSX's congestion woes! But, that's what they wanted! Again, an old axiom fits rather well in this situation: "Be careful for what you ask for, because you just might get it"!

As an explanation, the primary reason that the trains operate out of Rice Yd. in Waycross, GA is because Rice Yd handles most of the car classifications to and from Florida, and would do it if the trains operated out of Moncrief Yd in Jax or Rice. At least it alleviates the congestion problems in Moncrief Yd.!

Keep 'em rolling!

ACLfan

 #23519  by crazy_nip
 
wont happen because from just north of Yulee, fl to bladen, ga does not exist anymore

that is about 60 miles of track that would have to be relaid... not to mention callahan to gross...

it does seem absurd that locals up the former scl kingsland sub come out of waycross rather than baldwin or moncrief..

but moncrief is an intermodal parking lot anymore...

 #24019  by crazy_nip
 
something you need to remember, the MAIN reason this line was abandoned to begin with was because it went through some rough coastal marshland and had several bridges, whereas the more inland ACL route had only what, 1 or 2? Plus the ACL was double track CTC and the SAL was mostly single track and when moncrief yard was expanded, the interchange from the s-line to moncrief or the a-line was problematic for anything more than a couple trains a day

it was a more direct route to jacksonville from points north of savannah, and the preferred passenger route however due to a shorter run time but its fate was sealed july 1, 1967

 #24492  by CSX Conductor
 
so that's where all the money for track maintanence is going !!! :(

CSX always preaches safety, but leave us Yankees up north to ride on some really horrible track.

 #24640  by ACLfan
 
CSX Conductor wrote:so that's where all the money for track maintanence is going !!! :(

CSX always preaches safety, but leave us Yankees up north to ride on some really horrible track.
No, CSX Conductor, I think you missed the train on this one! The point being made is that the section of track in the discussion was abandoned years ago because of its high maintenance costs. Efforts to rebuild the track and bridges that were removed with the abandonment would be very expensive, and that's why it is very doubtful that any efforts will undertaken by CSX to rebuild the track for future usage. It's definitely NOT a north vs. south thing! Let it go!

ACLfan

 #24780  by crazy_nip
 
I think the only reason you hear so much about how "bad" the track is up north is because all the angry ex-conrail fans are still mad that thier railroad got taken over...

get over it

the south won...

 #24785  by charlie6017
 
Time to chill on this one.......<click!>

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