Last time I ran the Vancouver Hauler, from Albany Or., to Vancouver, I was held at Lake Yard, Portland. The yard was fairly clear, and while half-dozing, I turned to talk to the Cndr, and there they were. Up against a building, at the very southern edge of the yard, was a pair of gray Alco switchers, looking like S-4's, from my vantage point of about 1/4 mile away. Couldn't see the trucks, though. They are behind a giant warehouse, which abuts SR 30, and it's behind a tall fence that makes seeing it unlikely, from anywhere other than inside Lake Yard, which is itself behind a fence, as well. Perhaps GN599 knows more about them. He must get into Lake Yard at some point in his travels........ I get held at 2.2 sometimes, but there's not much hope, of crossing through the entire yard, to go see them up close.