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 #1095524  by BobLI
 
Was each pullman car assigned a specific porter or were there 1 or more cars assigned to each one?
And regarding the pullman conductor, what was his specific duties compared to the trains conductor?
 #1095679  by Desertdweller
 
The Pullman Conductor was an employee of the Pullman Company. The Pullman Company owned the Pullman cars. In the era before the Government split the Pullman Company, and forced the sale of Pullman-owned cars to the railroads, the Pullman Conductor was responsible to the Pullman Company for the operation of the Pullman cars in the train he was assigned to.

The railroad conductor was responsible for the overall operation of the train. The locomotive engineer was responsible for the operation of the locomotives, and shared with the railroad conductor responsibility for the safe operation of the train. In questions of safety of the train, either the railroad conductor or the locomotive engineer could veto any act either considered unsafe. They were (and are) obligated by the rules to do so.

The Pullman Conductor was responsible for the safety of the passengers and cars in his charge, but not for the overall train.

It is my understanding (but it was before my time) that the Pullman Porters were assigned individual cars. They would stay with the car for the extent of its journey, even if it included interchange between railroads. This would have changed when operation (and ownership) of the Pullman cars transferred to the railroads. The porters were then railroad employees, and subject to the agreement rules that covered other train crew employees.

Some dining cars were also Pullman-owned. Those crews would also stay with their car. Same for Pullman-owned lounge cars.

The Federal Government forced the Pullman Company to decide if they wanted to continue as operators of Pullman cars, or if they wanted to confine themselves to building cars. To due both was decided to be a violation of the Anti-Trust Act. Pullman decided to continue as a manufacturer, and sold their cars to the railroads.

Not all railroads contracted with Pullman to operate their sleepers. Milwaukee Road, for instance, operated and manned their own sleepers. Some railroads used Pullman crews to man sleepers that were not built by Pullman.

Railfans tend to refer to any sleeper as a "Pullman". But not all sleepers were built or manned by Pullman.

Les
 #1096633  by ExCon90
 
Just to add to Desertdweller's post, the porter did stay with the car for the entire journey, and I have read that a Pullman conductor was required whenever two or more Pullmans were in a train. If there was only one Pullman in the train it might be assigned to a Porter In Charge, who, for additional pay, took on the duties of a conductor. From the passenger's point of view, the difference between the train conductor and the Pullman conductor was that the railroad conductor worked in his assigned crew district and was replaced a crew-change points by another conductor, while the Pullman conductor remained with the train for the entire journey. Thus the passenger might encounter a succession of train conductors on a long trip (although as a Pullman passenger he hardly had occasion to have contact with the train conductor once his rail ticket had been collected), but he would see the same Pullman conductor the whole time. As mentioned above, the Pullman conductor was responsible for the Pullman Company's revenue, represented by the Pullman ticket, and if there was a duplicate sale or any other reservation mixup it was up to the Pullman conductor to deal with it. As mentioned, he had nothing to do with the operation of the train except as it affected the Pullman cars in his charge.

Trivia question: anybody know what Pullman car line operated over the greatest number of railroads from origin to destination?
 #1096650  by Desertdweller
 
ExCon90,

Just a guess. New York-San Francisco with 5 railroads: NYC-Chicago LaSalle St.- Chicago Terminal Railroad (don't know which one)-Chicago Union Station-CB&Q-Denver-D&RGW Denver-Salt Lake City-WP Salt lake City-San Francisco.

Les
 #1096665  by edbear
 
How about a Crescent Pullman from New York to New Orleans. PRR-SOU-AWP-WRyAla-L & N. Or a 1957 or so Pullman on the Dixieland, Chicago-Miami via CEI-L&N-NC&St.L-ACL-FEC. Both 5 roads.
 #1096966  by ExCon90
 
Desertdweller wrote:ExCon90,

Just a guess. New York-San Francisco with 5 railroads: NYC-Chicago LaSalle St.- Chicago Terminal Railroad (don't know which one)-Chicago Union Station-CB&Q-Denver-D&RGW Denver-Salt Lake City-WP Salt lake City-San Francisco.

Les
There's a nice job for somebody -- plot out all the interchange moves of transcontinental sleepers from B&O/NYC/PRR to AT&SF/C&NW/CB&Q/CRI&P and return, PRR-CB&Q and NYC-CRI&P presumably being the easy ones. Whose crews went where? Or was it done the same as with freight cars -- PRR delivering to AT&SF westbound, and AT&SF to PRR eastbound?
 #1097069  by edbear
 
Another routing involving 5 roads and the distance wasn't that great. Montrealer. PRR-NYNH & H-B & M-CV-CNR. Washington-Montreal.
 #1097320  by ExCon90
 
Can't believe I overlooked that one, and I rode it several times. And DOVER HARBOR, still in operation by the Washington Chapter NRHS, made that run for some years.
Also, the February 1926 Official Guide shows through sleepers in the Everglades from Boston to Miami and Springfield to Miami, via NYNH&H-PRR-RF&P-ACL-FEC, but that still leaves the score tied at 5. Now if only a car could have left from Portland ...
 #1098253  by ExNYC63
 
Desertdweller,

Not true on all points. In 1948 when the railroads took over the Pullman Company from Pullman-Standard
all regular run heavyweights and most new lightweights became property of the individual railroads.
The cars were then leased to the Pullman Company for operation and maintenance. Pullman conductors,
porters, busboys and car repairmen remained in place. The cars were shopped by the Pullman Company
and even painted by Pullman even though railroad names and color schemes were used.
The Milwaukee Road DID have its sleepers operated by the Pullman Company. In common with the
Soo Line some local sleeping car lines were operated by the railroad. In 1958 the New York Central
took over operation of its cars with the exception of some interline routes that continued to be
Pullman operated.