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But while preservationists have secured a new home for the rail cars at the Danbury Railway Museum in Connecticut, and nearly half a million dollars in funding to move the cars, a way to actually move them has yet to be found.
“What we’re looking to happen is for (Port of Albany) to build a road first so we can get the locomotives out of the way, so that they can start on their project,” said Marsh. “If not, we’re all stuck here.”
Just atop a steep hill behind the rail cars is Route 144 — Marsh and his colleagues are hoping for a road to be paved so side arm bulldozers can pick up the cars and carry them the few hundred yards to the main road. The only other option they have considered would be to pave a different road that would lead into neighboring PSEG, an electric utility company, and go through their property to get to Route 144.
“We have looked at (building a road) and some of the limitations we have are making it hard for getting any road built,” said Richard Hendrick, CEO of Port of Albany. “At the end of the day, I can’t spend a lot of money to build a road that would then just be plowed up.”
pablo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 6:56 am So, a new problem has presented itself, with the same likely outcome headed our wayIndeed. And the Port's CEO is correct. Being a public authority, they have spend public funds judiciously.
We have determined the RS-3 to be too far gone to save.So those two will be scrapped on site. That's $75,000 worth of scrap.
We have also determined that given it's rarity, and the fact it operated in Danbury under Conrail, U25B #2510 was worthy of consideration to be saved and relocated to Danbury. We spent time securing the engine, and testing its air brakes while we waited for a move quote, and upon receiving one we are disheartened to say that at this time we will not be pursuing saving this locomotive due to the logistics of this endeavor and that is cost prohibitive.
BR&P wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:17 am I'm not familiar with the layout there. Would it be possible to drag the equipment along the rails to a spot accessible to a smaller crane and flatbeds? Disassemble the equipment into smaller components which would not require megabucks and sidewinders to move it out of there? Truck the pieces to the museum and reassemble there at a later time? Or is there just no way to get at them with anything?That's the problem. The electric motors are pretty much at the end of the track but they're surrounded by soft/swampy land that's contaminated, steep terrain between their location and the nearest road, two rivers and an electric generation plant with transmission towers/lines and high-pressure natural gas lines along the best possible path out of there. It's 100% risk and 0% reward for the power company to get involved. Power plants don't like risk.
FWIW, do not underestimate the ability of two of those big wrecker trucks which they use to pick up wrecked semi's. Two of those would probably still be less expensive than a mammoth crane or a couple D9 sidebooms. The two which load the pieces at Albany would NOT have to drive all the way to the museum, save $ by hiring two more closer to home for the UNloading job. I have seen two of those pick up a GE 45 tonner, hold it in the air while a lowboy backed under, and then set it down on the truck. Does something along those lines allow a smaller, cheaper road to be built for the project, or still no possible way?Yup - and in those situations, you gotta do what you gotta do. But they're not derailed trains leaking fuel or hazmat materials and blocking active rail lines. In that case, the wreckers are coming in to remove stuff quickly without regard to not scratching paint. If you've ever seen a derailment cleanup, they're not being gentle with the wrecked engines or rolling stock!
nessman wrote:No, you misunderstand me. I'm not talking about train wrecks - I'm quite familiar with the sidewinders as used by Winters, Corman, Hulcher and others. I'm talking about highway tow trucks, see below. And my suggestion was not about loading the electrics out whole, but IF they could be made accessible, using one or two of those trucks to load out pieces, which could be handled with less problems than an entire unit.
Yup - and in those situations, you gotta do what you gotta do. But they're not derailed trains leaking fuel or hazmat materials and blocking active rail lines. In that case, the wreckers are coming in to remove stuff quickly without regard to not scratching paint. If you've ever seen a derailment cleanup, they're not being gentle with the wrecked engines or rolling stock!
The electric motors are pretty much at the end of the track but they're surrounded by soft/swampy land that's contaminated, steep terrain between their location and the nearest road, two rivers and an electric generation plant with transmission towers/lines and high-pressure natural gas lines along the best possible path out of thereSo it sounds like my idea still would not be practical.
eolesen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:36 am You might be able to get wreckers in there, but there's no solid road to get a heavy haul trailer in or out with the load.The S-motor is to be removed in one piece and that's a 234,000 lb piece of machinery that's over 100 years old and sitting in the elements for decades. Add the weight of the side-boom wreckers and then eventually the Schnable trailer to put this thing on for transport - and that's a LOT of weight to move out of there - requiring room for turns and be level enough as to not bottom out the trailer.
That's why I suggested using the remaining rails to try and get then to a more accessible spot. That sounds impractical as well.