• Berkshires

  • Discussion relating to the NYC and subsidiaries, up to 1968. Visit the NYCS Historical Society for more information.
Discussion relating to the NYC and subsidiaries, up to 1968. Visit the NYCS Historical Society for more information.

Moderator: Otto Vondrak

  by atsf sp
 
Are there any surviving NYC Berkshires especially B&A Berkshires. And if there aren't any, when were they scrapped?
  by Allen Hazen
 
Very few New York Central steam locomotives have survived, and I don't think any of them were A1 or A2 Berkshires. There is a website that lists surviving steam locomotives in the U.S. -- sorry, I don't remember exactly what it's called (and would probably start by Googling "steam locomotive" if I wanted to find it again) -- where you can check to make sure, but I'm pretty confident there aren't any left. Berkshires were big power, so not suitable for use by shortlines, the A1 were getting on in years by the end of steam, and the A2 were a small group of not-particularly-well-loved engines, so they would probably not have been sold to another railroad. The New York Central, unlike the Pennsylvania and some other railroads, didn't set aside a representative sample of its steam power for a historic collection, so they would just have gone for scrap.
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The Boston and Albany was (one of) the first part(s) of the New York Central system to be dieselized (sensibly: hilly terrain and furthest from coal sources!), and I think many of its newer steam locomotives served their last years further west: Big Four comes to mind. So probably the Berkshires were scrapped in various places in Ohio, Indiana, and/or Illinois.
  by DutchRailnut
 
  by BaltOhio
 
nope, no surviving Berkshires, either B&A or P&LE.
  by atsf sp
 
Thats too bad since we can never see a Berkshire that really earned the name "Berkshire".
  by Allen Hazen
 
Yes, it's a pity none were preserved. (I'll also confess to a longstanding affection for the P&LE A2 Berkshires: it would have been nice if Alco's last steamer had been saved!) Still, remember that the B&A (and also the B&M) Berkshires were locomotives of the drag freight era, with 63" drivers. Much of the fame of the Berkshire type is due to the later development -- first for the Erie -- of higher-drivered fast-freight Berkshires: locomotives which, in performance and use, were more like Mohawks than the NYC system's Berkshires.
  by Otto Vondrak
 
atsf sp wrote:Thats too bad since we can never see a Berkshire that really earned the name "Berkshire".
Plenty of Nickel Plate Berks, though. Some even run!