Derailment= East Palestine Ohio

Trying not to go too far off, but PRR's Detour Branch [if still there] E&A and Low Grade handled auto racks out of GM Lordstown.

urr304 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:03 pm Trying not to go too far off, but PRR's Detour Branch [if still there] E&A and Low Grade handled auto racks out of GM Lordstown.

If not for the derailment we wouldn’t be talking about detours so I’d say we’re OT. Looking at old DOT reports it seems the Main Line is the only game in town for 20’2” clearances between Alliance and Conway. Too bad for NS but they are going to have years of litigation from this.

Residents 10 miles away complaining of dead livestock from the weather inversion and wind shifts during the night after the "controlled release."

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/ea ... rom-train/

Interesting but frightening about the chickens.

Just on detours, I was told by someone else that NS apparently ran a detoured double stack train down a line without sufficient clearance and took some power lines down earlier today? Anyone else hear about that?

Everyone - The NTSB page for the derailment investigation https://ntsb.gov/investigations/Pages/RRD23MR005.aspx

Since my last post (2/6-12:41 AM) there was (finally) mention that the NS train crew - Engineer, Conductor and a trainee - were safe and able to uncouple their three locomotives from the consist.

From the numerous news reports authorities had implemented a no-fly zone over the derailment site that did include drones - taking note that there were only a few overview videos from outside the media or government.

Another problem mentioned was identifying some of the tank cars involved - the fire burned off outside numbers, reporting marks and placards - even with a NS car consist manifest available.

The task of disposing of the volatile chemicals is highly dangerous for anyone directly involved - especially since there turned out to be no practical or safe way to empty or transfer the contents to either another rail car or tank truck with the damaged tracks and any alongside road access blocked meaning that the contents had to be carefully burned off without causing an explosion...

I agree with the thought that this incident is going to be a long term legal problem for NS as DC mentions... As bad as this wreck turned out to be no one has been injured or worse up to this point...MACTRAXX

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/06/us/east- ... index.html

There was a mechanical failure warning before the crash, NTSB Member Michael Graham said Sunday. About 10 of 20 cars carrying hazardous materials – among more than 100 cars in all – derailed, the agency said.

“The crew did receive an alarm from a wayside defect detector shortly before the derailment, indicating a mechanical issue,” Graham said. “Then an emergency brake application initiated.”

Investigators also identified the point of derailment and found video showing “preliminary indications of mechanical issues” on one of the railcar axles, Graham said.

Ft Wayne line is back open tonight.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1623485667408740353


This one image of the controlled release will forever mark this event.

https://twitter.com/prod_davidson/statu ... 26752?s=20


NewsNation reporter arrested at Gov DeWine presser. The Drama never ends.

https://twitter.com/NewsNation/status/1 ... 03521?s=20

Residents are being allowed to return to their homes, and some are already pursuing legal action.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/ea ... lment/amp/

Since that line is reopen I assume all the detours are gonna go back to their normal routes? One of the detoured trains had an incident on the NYSW and nearly took out some power lines so I guess that ain’t happening again soon.

MACTRAXX wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:17 pm From the numerous news reports authorities had implemented a no-fly zone over the derailment site that did include drones - taking note that there were only a few overview videos from outside the media or government.

Mr. MACTRAXX, here is the NOTAM to which you reference.

https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_3_1035.html

While this particular NOTAM has expired, others may have followed; "Chopper KDKA" had to stay in the hangar.

Further, I think such was a warning shot for "Glen Lerner is the lawyer for you, call 222-2222", and others of that ilk, to stay away.

Finally, there are reports that a reporter was arrested at the derailment scene; wow, will the "First Amendmentists" be up in arms over that.

Hello! We are a group of voluntary researchers and i was wondering if anyone could help us with some train related information, please.
Does anyone know which locomotives were used in the train? I've seen NS 35N mentioned with a picture of a locomotive with the number 8307 on it, can anyone confirm?
Is there any information on the equipment (ATS/ATC, radio, other control systems, anything retrofitted, ...) used on that particular locomotive? This is of particular interest.
I've seen mentions that the Dash 8-40C was one of the first locomotives that used a microprocessor, can anyone confirm that? Any information on where was the microprocessor made?
Thank you and have a nice day!

It appears that the line is open and that two Amtrak trains have passed through the scene.

Residents are returning to their homes:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/residents- ... _permalink

Mr. Switchy, first, welcome to our site. I myself, former railroad employee, have been around here since 1999.

I think the information you want is presently closely guarded, but some, such as the train's symbol and if it had Distributed Power will be publicly available with release of the NTSB Preliminary Report, which I'd guess will be available next month. Further info such as the locomotive numbers and what kind of remote control gear such were equipped with will have to wait for the Final Report.

Mr. MACTRAXX immediatey provided a link to the NTSB page set up for this incident.

Have heard rumors of a clearance issue on a detour, does anyone have any details and what forum should we discuss that at.

Bracdude181 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 2:58 amSince that line is reopen I assume all the detours are gonna go back to their normal routes? One of the detoured trains had an incident on the NYSW and nearly took out some power lines so I guess that ain’t happening again soon.

The NYSW is fully cleared for double stacks so if this happened that’s an issue with the utility for not maintaining proper clearance.

Yes, the utility would be the prime responsible party, but wouldn't NYSW be called out for not ensuring its r.o.w. was not being encroached on and being aware of it.

urr304 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:50 pmYes, the utility would be the prime responsible party, but wouldn't NYSW be called out for not ensuring its r.o.w. was not being encroached on and being aware of it.

A roadway crossing the railway is owned by the entity that built it and they pay the railroad to maintain it. Overhead air rights above the track are agreed upon between the utility and the railroad. But railroads aren't in the electric transmission business anymore. So a track inspector will not be an authority on transmission line clearance unless it is a gross disparity such as a downed powerline or leaning/broken powerpole.