Green Line Type 10 thread

Enclosed, isolated cabs would suggest that fareboxes will be a thing of the past. That is the case in Toronto now, where the new streetcars have closed cabs and no fareboxes. You pay by either tapping a fare card at any door, or you can buy a ticket from one of a pair of small ticket machines located in the car itself. TTC uses Proof of Payment and if you are caught without having paid, the fine is $425.

Remember that AFC 2.0 will be an honor/proof of payment system when it comes to boarding vehicles.

Is that why lechmere and the new stations don’t have fare gates?

Commuterrail1050 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:12 pm Is that why lechmere and the new stations don’t have fare gates?

Yes. Saved them money although I don't know how it's being done right now since I don't think the new system is ready. Maybe they have people with hand held validators at the stations? What are all the Orange Line operators doing?

bostontrainguy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:18 pm

Commuterrail1050 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:12 pm Is that why lechmere and the new stations don’t have fare gates?

Yes. Saved them money although I don't know how it's being done right now since I don't think the new system is ready. Maybe they have people with hand held validators at the stations? What are all the Orange Line operators doing?

Validation is handled at the ticket machines. Once you validate you receive a paper slip stated you did so. Enforcement of this is little to non-existant.

When an articulated car goes around a curve, portions of the floor go under side panels and/or would be walled off using railings. Imagine that the portions of floor that could get so covered or were so considered off limits were painted yellow as a warning not to stand there. In a Type 10, would the seating areas and the portions of floor not painted yellow hold as many people as two Type 7 or Type 8 cars?

last I checked everything on the Green Line right now has those same constraints. I'm not sure what the issue is. Personally I like standing where the car articulates.

theMainer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 8:04 pm

bostontrainguy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:18 pm

Commuterrail1050 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:12 pm Is that why lechmere and the new stations don’t have fare gates?

Yes. Saved them money although I don't know how it's being done right now since I don't think the new system is ready. Maybe they have people with hand held validators at the stations? What are all the Orange Line operators doing?

Validation is handled at the ticket machines. Once you validate you receive a paper slip stated you did so. Enforcement of this is little to non-existant.

So by the time Charlie Card II is ready, the culture of fare evasion should be well established.

Disney Guy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 10, 2022 10:58 pm When an articulated car goes around a curve, portions of the floor go under side panels and/or would be walled off using railings. Imagine that the portions of floor that could get so covered or were so considered off limits were painted yellow as a warning not to stand there. In a Type 10, would the seating areas and the portions of floor not painted yellow hold as many people as two Type 7 or Type 8 cars?

Articulations are designed so that very little, if any, of the floor passes under the diaphragms forming the side walls. There's no need for any indicators warning people not to stand around the articulation.

The fare validation system in its current form would work only for inbound trips originating north of Science Park.

Outbound there would be riders who boarded elsewhere including at Logan Airport where no fare is collected on the Silver Line to South Station. These riders would not have white slips to show to an inspector.

In the future POP will happen and there will be a method to account for the Silver LIne.

BandA wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:37 am So by the time Charlie Card II is ready, the culture of fare evasion should be well established.

I have bad news for you about fare recovery on the surface branches of the Green Line.

BandA wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 11:37 am So by the time Charlie Card II is ready, the culture of fare evasion should be well established.

You must have missed the study where the costs of complete fare recovery (from station dwell times for surface vehicles) and/or enforcement outweighs letting a little bit of fare evasion go. Larger and smaller transit systems have figured this out, but there are a few systems that are still dead set on 100% farebox recovery.

True -- I think Philadelphia may be the largest metro area willing to spend a dollar to collect the last dime. There's no reason why POP can't be enforced if the will is there.

It figures the MBTA would go with CAF. Cracks were discovered in the wheel arches of the CAF Urbos 3 trams
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-06/ ... 20Thursday.

They are currently being replaced by Alstom Citadis trams used on other lines.
https://youtu.be/X1U6dvCkxLc

I hope this isn't a premonition of what's to come.