@R&DB You are probably correct in saying that only one company should be running down here, although two freight rail companies can sort of co-exist if they try to. Your also right in saying there is a need for at least something to be done down here than just trains of lumber. However, this is really tricky because of the following issues.
1. While cars can theoretically be exchanged in Red Bank, NJT owns it and likely won’t allow cars to be stored and exchanged there. They like to keep it as open as possible for what seems like “god-forbid” reasons. Plus as it is now, you can only store about 15 modern day cars in Red Bank yard. It would be okay if they only had a few customers and ran only twice a week, but it will be a challenge if someone like Seashore Lines wants to expand down here.
Perhaps Seashore Lines could run a sort of Red Bank to Bay Head freight from there so Conrail can keep their trackage rights from Red Bank to South Amboy?
2. While passenger service is possible down here, it probably won’t happen under Seashore Lines. They could do Lakehurst or Toms River to Red Bank, but the FRA requires PTC and signals to be installed on any line with regularly scheduled passenger trains. This will dramatically increase the costs of rebuilding this line for passenger service. Last I heard, Transit wanted around 110 million to repair Red Bank to Lakehurst and bring everything up to standard and build train stations. They wanted catenary wires for electric trains too. (EW) It it highly unlikely that Seashore Lines will ever have this amount of money, and NJ Transit isn’t willing to spend that much. 110 million is probably what they pocket annually.
Plus, Transit really isn’t fond of freight trains and they will absolutely try to get rid of them if they take this line over.
However, passenger excursions on portions of the Southern are entirely possible and would be fairly popular, especially in Ocean County. It’s up to Seashore Lines to do something like this though. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. Hopefully we will see something.
I’d like to see CNJ 1523 and 1524 with some of the Jersey Builder coaches from the URHS between Lakehurst and Woodmansie.
Now this is where things get tricky.
3. NJ Transit owns the line from Red Bank to South Lakewood. Any sale or something similar would have to be approved by them. They won’t do this though, as they still think they need to hang onto this track for whatever reason. Same goes for Woodmansie to Winslow. They were thinking about doing that as part of MOM and even went as far to have two guys survey the line, but that never went anywhere.
Plus, Conrail can’t search for business, so getting rid of them to take this line over for MOM would be much easier. Especially since Conrail doesn’t want to be down here regardless.
Conrail owns Toms River to South Lakewood. Seashore Lines could easily take this section over and do whatever they please with it, since Conrail wants nothing to do with it. Truth be told, this is probably what should happen since it would at the very least keep this line going as Seashore Lines seems to be the only that wants to run on it.
One more thing, if Conrail well and truly wants this line to be better, they REALLY should reconnect it to the Freehold Industrial. As it stands, NJ Transit has restrictions for freight trains on the Coast Line. If SA31 came down this way and if OI-16 went down the NEC to Monmouth Junction and accessed Browns that way, it would allow for better customer service and larger/heavier freight cars, in addition to the ability to bring down almost anything that NJT has banned from the Coast Line.
Personally, I think it’s up to Seashore Lines to turn things around here. Conrails management has made it clear that they want nothing to do with this line, and Transit is too lazy and/or greedy to do almost anything other than what they do now. Some great improvements can be made down here provided that Seashore Lines plays their cards right. I’ve been hearing that the sand trains will finally start up this upcoming summer and that the sand will go towards the new Amtrak Portal Bridge, but we’ve all heard this before so we will see what happens.
1. While cars can theoretically be exchanged in Red Bank, NJT owns it and likely won’t allow cars to be stored and exchanged there. They like to keep it as open as possible for what seems like “god-forbid” reasons. Plus as it is now, you can only store about 15 modern day cars in Red Bank yard. It would be okay if they only had a few customers and ran only twice a week, but it will be a challenge if someone like Seashore Lines wants to expand down here.
Perhaps Seashore Lines could run a sort of Red Bank to Bay Head freight from there so Conrail can keep their trackage rights from Red Bank to South Amboy?
2. While passenger service is possible down here, it probably won’t happen under Seashore Lines. They could do Lakehurst or Toms River to Red Bank, but the FRA requires PTC and signals to be installed on any line with regularly scheduled passenger trains. This will dramatically increase the costs of rebuilding this line for passenger service. Last I heard, Transit wanted around 110 million to repair Red Bank to Lakehurst and bring everything up to standard and build train stations. They wanted catenary wires for electric trains too. (EW) It it highly unlikely that Seashore Lines will ever have this amount of money, and NJ Transit isn’t willing to spend that much. 110 million is probably what they pocket annually.
Plus, Transit really isn’t fond of freight trains and they will absolutely try to get rid of them if they take this line over.
However, passenger excursions on portions of the Southern are entirely possible and would be fairly popular, especially in Ocean County. It’s up to Seashore Lines to do something like this though. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. Hopefully we will see something.
I’d like to see CNJ 1523 and 1524 with some of the Jersey Builder coaches from the URHS between Lakehurst and Woodmansie.
Now this is where things get tricky.
3. NJ Transit owns the line from Red Bank to South Lakewood. Any sale or something similar would have to be approved by them. They won’t do this though, as they still think they need to hang onto this track for whatever reason. Same goes for Woodmansie to Winslow. They were thinking about doing that as part of MOM and even went as far to have two guys survey the line, but that never went anywhere.
Plus, Conrail can’t search for business, so getting rid of them to take this line over for MOM would be much easier. Especially since Conrail doesn’t want to be down here regardless.
Conrail owns Toms River to South Lakewood. Seashore Lines could easily take this section over and do whatever they please with it, since Conrail wants nothing to do with it. Truth be told, this is probably what should happen since it would at the very least keep this line going as Seashore Lines seems to be the only that wants to run on it.
One more thing, if Conrail well and truly wants this line to be better, they REALLY should reconnect it to the Freehold Industrial. As it stands, NJ Transit has restrictions for freight trains on the Coast Line. If SA31 came down this way and if OI-16 went down the NEC to Monmouth Junction and accessed Browns that way, it would allow for better customer service and larger/heavier freight cars, in addition to the ability to bring down almost anything that NJT has banned from the Coast Line.
Personally, I think it’s up to Seashore Lines to turn things around here. Conrails management has made it clear that they want nothing to do with this line, and Transit is too lazy and/or greedy to do almost anything other than what they do now. Some great improvements can be made down here provided that Seashore Lines plays their cards right. I’ve been hearing that the sand trains will finally start up this upcoming summer and that the sand will go towards the new Amtrak Portal Bridge, but we’ve all heard this before so we will see what happens.