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At present Amtrak does not need these stops as the loads in and out of NYP are close to full or in many cases full.
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Right now, space and capacity is lacking, they are still building the necessary tracks to service a potential without disrupting the entire area. The new western bypass track from the Hell Gate line to Harold is starting to take shape, which will remove some of the conflicting routes from LIRR territory to Amtrak's New Haven line.
"Nearly 20 years have passed since Long Island City was promised a new station in Sunnyside Yards and it is way past time for the state to deliver," U.S. Rep. Carolyn Maloney, who represents Long Island City, said on Monday. "We need a transportation system that recognizes and accommodates the growing number of riders on our railways and one that recognizes our city's changing commuting patterns."
The proposed Sunnyside Rail Yards station at Queens Boulevard would be a transportation hub connecting the LIRR to Amtrak and NJ Transit, which also use the yard.
So, what's the hold up? Central to the construction work on East Side Access is a rail junction in Sunnyside called Harold Interlocking — the busiest in the country, according to the MTA. Building the Sunnyside station now, a spokesperson said, would interfere with that work on East Side Access.
And with trains traveling to Penn Station every two to three minutes, adding a stop at Sunnyside could congest the entire railroad; once the LIRR can travel to Grand Central, schedules could become more flexible.
Sept. 17, 2019. By Shane O’Brien
The New York City EDC released a number of design concepts for the Sunnyside Yard at a public meeting in Long Island City last night as the planning process for the gigantic site continues.
The three-hour meeting held at Aviation High School was attended by more than 200 people and was the subject of a planned protest by dozens of activists who are wary of its development. The meeting, for much of the evening, was an orderly affair.
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The EDC also provided details for a road grid at Monday’s meeting. The city plans to develop identically sized blocks and a number of different types of thoroughfares at Sunnyside Yard.
There are plans for shared streets for cars, cyclists and pedestrians as well as plans for the centralized greenway. The shared streets would have a maximum speed limit of 5-10 mph.
There is also a plan to install a corridor on either side of the yard. The corridors would run the length of the yard and connect existing regions in Long Island City and Sunnyside. They would also be used for bus routes.
The EDC plans to develop a train station, which would potentially be serviced by Amtrak, LIRR and Metro North.
SouthernRailway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:24 pm Let's look at this another way.Time, Experience, Money. Take NYC to DC.
Say I live in Oyster Bay (or anywhere in Long Island), and I have to go to Boston or Washington.
Why in the world would I drive past LaGuardia (or take a train past LaGuardia) to get to NY Penn to take Amtrak?
Same for people in Long Island City: why in the world would they go into Manhattan to get to NY Penn to take Amtrak, when LGA is right nearby?
Another Amtrak station- and Jamaica or Hunterspoint Avenue are great ideas- makes Amtrak much more competitive for these people.
SouthernRailway wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:24 pm Let's look at this another way.What do you mean "a train past LGA"? There is no train route that stops near enough to LGA for it to be faster to get to LGA than to Penn, as I showed above. Sure, you pass geographically close, but there is no rail infrastructure to get to LGA...
Say I live in Oyster Bay (or anywhere in Long Island), and I have to go to Boston or Washington.
Why in the world would I drive past LaGuardia (or take a train past LaGuardia) to get to NY Penn to take Amtrak?
STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:25 pmyou got to get there 2 hours in advance (at least)Hogwash... If you have PreCheck or Clear (which most self-respecting business traveler will), you can cut showing up at the airport down to 45-60 minutes. I did it weekly for three years... never once missed a flight.
ebtmikado wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:30 am [quote=Every stop makes the train slower, thus discouraging all passengers.
Another Amtrak station- and Jamaica or Hunterspoint Avenue are great ideas- makes Amtrak much more competitive for these people.
ebtmikado wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:30 am [quote=Every stop makes the train slower, thus discouraging all passengers.
Another Amtrak station- and Jamaica or Hunterspoint Avenue are great ideas- makes Amtrak much more competitive for these people.
mtuandrew wrote: ↑Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:24 pm Amtrak & MTA could tuck a station into the 125th Street area off the Empire Connection. That would help the folks headed to Columbia U, the far Upper West Side and the Bronx if they’re willing to walk a couple blocks up the hill to the 1 line.That would fall under this:
ThirdRail7 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:49 pmWhen the Empire Connection emerges from the Riverside Overbuild at 123st, it is sandwiched between a major highway, which is hugging a wide river on one side and a major thoroughfare which is hugging a cliff on the other side. Then, it promptly crosses the aforementioned viaduct.
You have to look at accessibility and parking, which takes real estate. That is another factor. It would be quite expensive to build a station on your own in NYC and you're bound to run into opposition. As a provider of intercity service, you'd have to plan carefully. That alone would limit the Empire Connection since a significant portion of it is underground and a fair portion of the rest of it is on a viaduct. At that point, you're almost in YNY, which is served by Amtrak.