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  • Discussion relating to the NYC and subsidiaries, up to 1968. Visit the NYCS Historical Society for more information.
Discussion relating to the NYC and subsidiaries, up to 1968. Visit the NYCS Historical Society for more information.

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 #1125890  by Aa3rt
 
Can anyone direct me to or provide a list of telegraph call signs for the NYC? I'm particularly interested in the Dunkirk, Allegheny Valley & Pittsburgh line (Valley Division). I've tried searching on line but have come up empty handed.
 #1126121  by BR&P
 
1943

Dunkirk X
Fredonia FD
Cassadaga G
Sinclairville V
Gerry UK
Falconer H
Falconer Jct DV
Frewsburg B
Russell R
North Warren NW
Warren W
Irvineton NE
Youngsville VI
Garland GI
Titusville Z
 #1126233  by Aa3rt
 
Thank you very much! Appreciate your efforts and the quick response.
 #1126261  by BR&P
 
You're quite welcome! Once in a while I screw up and do something right! :-D

I saw a draft of a book of memoirs from a guy who used to work that line, I don't think he ever got it published. Interesting stuff!
 #1127131  by R Paul Carey
 
Jack,

I believe the purpose of the call sign, originating in the time of Morse telegraphy, would be to have a unique "sign" for each station on a given dispatcher's line, at the minimum. It would seem that, in the planning for such call sign assignments, it would be prudent to avoid duplicate assignments on adjacent dispatchers' territories, as well.

Perhaps some others with experience in dispatching and/or telegraphy can add to this. Happy New Year!

Paul.
 #1128159  by Statkowski
 
A little bit before my time, but the telegraphic call signs would be unique within a division. A division could, and most likely would, have more than one dispatcher territory.
 #1129456  by ChiefTroll
 
Just to be a real pain and a nit picker, in railroad and telegraph terminology the offices were designated by symbols of one or two letters termed "office calls" or "telegraphic office calls." The term "call sign" generally represents a radio station, either for broadcasting or communication. The term "call sign" was not officially used in railroad service.

It was necessary that each station on a dispatcher's circuit should have its unique office call, to avoid ambiguity. As divisions grew and the telegraph fell into disuse, it was possible to have more than one office with the same office call on the same division. One instance was the NYC River Division, after NYC acquired the Ulster and Delaware Railroad on February 1, 1932. Davenport Center was a train order office on the U&D and then the Catskill Mountain Branch, and Willow Avenue was an interlocking station and train order office on the New Jersey Junction RR east of Weehawken. Both had the same office call of "AV," and that continued until Davenport Center was closed, ca. 1954. I believe that the telegraph circuit was not used very much between the dispatchers at Weehawken and Willow Ave AV, but the Catskill Mountain Branch relied on telegraph until 1954. There was a telephone circuit up there, too, but it was not totally reliable. The CMB had its own dispatcher at Weehawken on first trick until 1954, but second and third tricks were handled by the regular River Division dispatcher.

Sort of like how highways have mile markers, but railroads have mile posts. And intersections at grade between highways and railroads are called railroad crossings by highway engineers, and highway crossings by railroad engineers. We drive on parkways and we park in driveways. Go figure.

73, Gordon Davids (call sign WJ3K, but not on the railroad)
 #1129466  by Aa3rt
 
ChiefTroll wrote:Just to be a real pain and a nit picker, in railroad and telegraph terminology the offices were designated by symbols of one or two letters termed "office calls" or "telegraphic office calls." The term "call sign" generally represents a radio station, either for broadcasting or communication. The term "call sign" was not officially used in railroad service...

Sort of like how highways have mile markers, but railroads have mile posts. And intersections at grade between highways and railroads are called railroad crossings by highway engineers, and highway crossings by railroad engineers. We drive on parkways and we park in driveways. Go figure.

73, Gordon Davids (call sign WJ3K, but not on the railroad)
Hi Gordon,

Thanks for checking in and also for the terminology lesson. I appreciate the input.

For the benefit of anyone who may be following this thread, my original query was prompted by a Facebook page done by the "Northwestern Pennsylvania Railroad Telegraph Company". The name should give you a clue as to the geographic area they're focused on and they appear to be associated with the Lakeshore Railway Museum, headquartered in the former NYC depot in Northeast, (Erie County) PA.

(Even though I've been pretty well entrenched in southern Maryland for the last 30+ years, northwest Pennsylvania, and neighboring western New York State, are still "home" and where most of my railway interests lie.)

73, Art Audley (AA3RT)