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Dj, what would you suggest as a good alternative configuration?
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NJT Rider wrote:Run it to Jamacia and establish a LGA & JFK connection. Follow the median of the Grand Central to the Van Wyck to Jamacia.That makes too much sense. So it will never happen.
Head-end View wrote:Dj, what would you suggest as a good alternative configuration?It's been a long time since I lived in NYC - and even then, it was Staten Island.
NJT Rider wrote:Run it to Jamacia and establish a LGA & JFK connection. Follow the median of the Grand Central to the Van Wyck to Jamacia.How many people are actually transferring between LGA and JFK? I could see it from a maintenance perspective perhaps, enlarge one shop instead of building a second one, but that's about it.
MattW wrote:I was on a overbooked flight in Newark and they made an announcement of an offer for a plane out of LGA and a monetary voucher for a future flight. No one took the offer. I imagine the same occurs with LGA and JFK.NJT Rider wrote:Run it to Jamacia and establish a LGA & JFK connection. Follow the median of the Grand Central to the Van Wyck to Jamacia.How many people are actually transferring between LGA and JFK? I could see it from a maintenance perspective perhaps, enlarge one shop instead of building a second one, but that's about it.
zerovanity59 wrote:On this subject, I was on a couple of flights years ago that were scheduled to land at LaGuardia and redirected to Idlewild.MattW wrote:I was on a overbooked flight in Newark and they made an announcement of an offer for a plane out of LGA and a monetary voucher for a future flight. No one took the offer. I imagine the same occurs with LGA and JFK.NJT Rider wrote:Run it to Jamacia and establish a LGA & JFK connection. Follow the median of the Grand Central to the Van Wyck to Jamacia.How many people are actually transferring between LGA and JFK? I could see it from a maintenance perspective perhaps, enlarge one shop instead of building a second one, but that's about it.
Such is the power of a governor who’s accountable to nobody: he proposes a scheme, and even the criticism is on the governor’s own terms of providing service to LaGuardia.Complete with ignoring other transit-extension possibilities, the second phase of the Second Avenue Subway. He concludes
In such a climate, as soon as we talk about tweaks to Cuomo’s plan, Cuomo’s already won; whatever happens, he will reap the credit, and use it to buy political capital to keep building unnecessary megaprojects. Even trying to make the best of a bad situation by making the airport connector better is of little use, since Cuomo will support the plan that maximizes his political capital and not the one that maximizes transit usage even within such constraints as “must serve LaGuardia.”Yonah Freemark: For LaGuardia, an AirTrain that will save almost no one any time « The Transport Politic (djlong's link titled) shows a map of the proposed route and two alternatives:
This is evident in his response to criticism among transit activists. After listing the many pundits and activists who oppose the plan, Capital New York included a response from the governor’s office, which said, in so many words, “our plan is better because it doesn’t go through populated neighborhoods, where there would be NIMBYs.” What those of us who want good transit view as a feature – connecting to underserved neighborhoods and not just to the airport – Cuomo regards as a bug. A plan that included additional stops in Astoria might well attract community support, while still offering much faster trip times to Manhattan because of the direct route, but would rely on non-airport ridership, which Cuomo doesn’t care about, to keep the cost per rider reasonable.
The fact is that the governor of New York State, like most people in elected office, doesn’t take transit much and certainly isn’t reliant on it; to put matters bluntly, in a transit-oriented city like New York, he’s a member of the economic and social elite. This elite is unprepared to take advantage (or, in many cases, even know about) bus services that exist, and can only envision taking a train in one circumstance: When traveling to and from the airport. For him, a train to the airport is a must, even if it doesn’t actually improve transportation objectives and even if it isn’t the top priority compared to other options in a constrained spending environment.Benjamin Kabak: Out of nowhere, Cuomo announces an AirTrain to Laguardia :: Second Ave. Sagas shows a map of the Willets route. His criticisms: