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Pertaining to all railroading subjects, past and present, in New England

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  by b&m 1566
 
I know that the MBTA has been doing it for a long time now, but doesn't a train running backwards (being pushed instead of being pulled) have a higher chance of derailing? If so let's say in the future the MBTA makes it up to Concord, NH (like planned) can a train run backwards like that for that amount of time or would they have to switch to a push pull mode like Amtrak does with the Downeaster?

  by doublebell
 
The Downeaster operates in the same mode as the MBTA trains, pushed into Boston and pulled out. The Downeaster operates at speeds up to 79 miles per hour while in the push mode.
John (the guy in the white car)

  by TomNelligan
 
It's not just the MBTA that has been running push-pulls for a long time, so has every other US operator of locomotive-hauled commuter trains, and on the whole the safety record of push-pulls has been excellent. There have been cases where cab-first operation caused a problem. In the mid-1990s a MARC train running control car first ran a signal near Silver Spring, Maryland, and hit Amtrak's "Capitol Limited". In the resulting fire the engineer and several passengers who were riding in the cab car died. And there was also the recent Metralink incident outside Los Angeles when a car parked on a track caused a cab car first train to detail in the path of a second train, causing numerous fatalities. In both cases, had the affected train been running locomotive-first, it might have been better able to absorb the collision.

But those are rare exceptions to a general pattern. Given all the push-pull trains running in this country, and for that matter all the MU sets that don't have a locomotive at *either* end, if there was a chronic safety hazard it would have shown up long ago.

And by the way, when the MBTA *did* run to Concord, NH, in the early 1980s, that was with standard push-pull consists and the train pushed southbound.