pdxstreetcar wrote:I am planning to go to Boston soon to take photos of the Silver Line Tunnel and after being questioned for photographing a trackless trolley on city streets I figured I better get a permit for photography on T property. Has anyone managed to take pictures of the Silver Line subway stations without a permit?
Destination: Freedom describes the lengthy process:
http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df0 ... #Following
Do I really have to...
-email press department
-wait 2 weeks for a photo pass request form by email
-send in form and wait about a week for a background check
-receive a phone call from Marketing Dept. telling of approval and where to pick up photo pass
-go to marketing department HQ and present official ID and SS cards (including going thru airport-style security)
And the pass is only good for 30 days??
It appears that this process takes about a month. Wow.
Just joined this board. Great site.
I just wanted to add that the article in Destination: Freedom at the NCI web site was based on my personal experiences with the MBTA.
At one time permits were good for 90 days, maybe even 6 months, but the events of 9/11 changed all of that and the MBTA police have flexed their worry muscles. As I see it, any person with a decent memory can memorize what they want about stations and trains. Interestingly enough, while you need a photo permit to take images on T property, there are no rules about sketch pads. Go figure.
When I went in for my permit the 30 day limit had just gone into effect. Prior to that it was 90 days. I got the permit to shoot the last trip on the Green line out of Lechmere. At the end of that month the permit ran out.
I was going to go back into the Park Plaza office to renew it but learned that due to the DNC coming to town all permit requests and renewals were set aside and none were to be issued until afterward.
I never went back.
After reviewing some of the threads here I have the following to add.
The MBTA has had long standing rules on photography within its system. Among these are no tripods or monopoles because they fear people would trip on them. Also no flashes within the confines of the subway as that can cause temp blindness of a train operator or someone on a platform edge. These seem reasonable.
If you are on public property taking shots of passing trains is perfectly legal. At the same time people should be aware that some rail lists have reported any number of horror stories of railfans being stopped by local police and even detained until the FBI arrives to determine their intent of taking photos - even from public land. One report I read even had the FBI making serious queries into a notebook a railfan was carrying which was noting train movements and written in a shorthand that got the local agents really worried, mainly because they just had no grasp of railfans and how detailed some can be in noting their observations of train movements.
Photographers may want to avail themselves of the documents at this web site
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
This outlines the rights of a photographer on public property and was adapted by the attorney that writes this site from existing case law and a similar brochure from the ACLU.
That said, when and if I need to get photos from inside a T station, and I may shoot the SIlver Line one of these days, I will likely renew my permit. As I understand it, once you are in the system a renewal is a phone call away and a renewed permit can be ready in a day or two after the initial application has been handled. You will likely have to present 2 forms of ID again when picking up the premit. Heck, you need 2 forms of ID now just to get a reprint of your own lost driver's license (happened to my son).
Oh, and you need to show ID to get into the Transportation building at the 2nd floor security desk in order to get to the MBTA offices above that. There are other state and federal offices in that building so security is tight.
We might be inclined to argue one's rights to photo on public property or state controlled property (as the MBTA's is - somewhat) but testing the waters of that is best handled by someone willing to get arrested or ticketed and who has an attorney standing in the wings to move forward with a test case.
Standing on the street I'm OK, but once in a T station as noted in another thread, that little yellow card is gold, and you very well may be challenged by an MBTA police officer - uniformed or plain clothes - or even a T employee. I placed mine in a little badge holder that clips onto my shirt pocket where everyone can see it.
Last time it was on me, a few people saw it said "MBTA Photo Permit", and I was wearing a blue shirt at the time. They thought I worked for the T and I spent a few minutes giving directions on how to get to where they were going. It was sort of amusing.
For what its worth, I have repeatedly suggested to people in Joe Pesaturo's offices that press people like myself should be able to get a permit that lasts longer than 30 days. So far no one is moving in that direction. The Marketing people say they are driven by the MBTA police. It's the MBTA PD that wants the 30 day limit.
I remain curious as to whether major TV stations have to get a permit renewed every 30 days or have someone from the T accompany them on photo shoots (as their photo policy suggests). If they don't, then that would point to favoritism of major over minor press. Then again anytime the TV stations run a T story these days I seem to notice that they are either reporting from outside the stations (when there is a derailment or fire) or are running the same tired old stock footage - like the one they show of trolleys leaving Lechmere Station several months after it has closed.
DMK
Respectfully