Port Authority expanding at Greenville

$118 million for more land, carfloat rights and a new barge to rail transfer facility.

http://www.hudsonreporter.com/view/full ... ute_jersey

Port Authority Board votes to buy Greenville Yards, old rail yard in JC
Say it will reduce NY-to-NJ waste transfers by truck, instead moving them by barge & rail
May 18, 2010

JERSEY CITY -- The Port Authority Board of Commissioners on Tuesday authorized the agency to move ahead with the purchase and redevelopment of Greenville Yards, a century-old rail yard in Jersey City, N.J. that they say will remove up to 360,000 trash trucks annually from trans-Hudson crossings and New Jersey highways by moving New York City’s sealed containerized solid waste and other commodities by barge and rail when appropriate facilities are completed by 2013.

Greenville Yards today forms the western terminus for New York New Jersey Rail LLC, which is owned by the Port Authority and operates the last cross-harbor car float system on the Hudson River. Under this system, freight is loaded on rail cars and the cars are moved by barge from Greenville to Brooklyn, N.Y., where they are either delivered to local customers or handed over to another railroad to reach their destination.

jtunnel wrote:$118 million for more land, carfloat rights and a new barge to rail transfer facility.

http://www.hudsonreporter.com/view/full ... ute_jersey

PANYNJ + Greenville, Bush & 65th Street Info video.

http://www.panynj.info/corporate-inform ... ideos.html

Click on "Committee on Operations" on the right side.

The info starts about 4 min. in.

Joe

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[i]Hudson Reporter.com[/i] wrote:New York City plans to ship an estimated 120,000 to 180,000 containers of solid waste per year through two barge-to-rail transfer points on the western side of the Port of New York and New Jersey. If Greenville is used for this purpose, it would handle about half of the container stream, with the balance going to the other selected facility.

It sounds like the City of New York will be the rehabbed carfloat operation's biggest customer. They're talking about moving around 400 containers per day so this could eventually be big business for NYNJRR. As an example, all of the Bronx's trash now goes via rail and that's enough for a solid train every day. Brooklyn has almost twice as many people as the Bronx so they could be generating two trains a day when this plan gets going. Sounds like it, anyway.

Under the city's solid waste plan, each boro is supposed to take care of its own garbage without burdening other boros, so you would think most of the garbage moving via Bay Ridge will be Brooklyn trash. Some of Brooklyn's garbage now moves via Fresh Pond, doesn't it? (From Bushwick?) So using the criteria about not burdening other boros some of NY&A's solid waste traffic may get rerouted to Bay Ridge.

No matter how smelly it is, municipal waste is turning out to be big business for the railroads.

Those containers are very well sealed, there's not much of a smell at all considering what's in them.

Trash from the bush indeed goes out over hell gate currently. One can only wonder how traffic patterns might change with the floats running full steam again. Will the bush trash go out via Bay Ridge? Will the new trash facility in maspeth (opening in a year or so) go that way too or stick to the 'no impact on other boros', thus via hell gate? Will trash from the Bronx go down to the floats? (Highly unlikely, can you imagine the fit those middle village people would throw at that??! wow).

Time will tell.

JoeRailRoad wrote:PANYNJ + Greenville, Bush & 65th Street Info video.

http://www.panynj.info/corporate-inform ... ideos.html

Click on "Committee on Operations" on the right side.

The info starts about 4 min. in. Joe

Finally found the time today to view that video. Thanks Joe, that is an excellent presentation. Wow, conventional carload traffic, garbage containers plus special intermodal pier section. Hope they can attract some serious traffic.

Not clear to me though, will they float just the waste containers (then load flats at Greenville) or float flats with containers already loaded?

Tommy Meehan wrote:

JoeRailRoad wrote:PANYNJ + Greenville, Bush & 65th Street Info video.

http://www.panynj.info/corporate-inform ... ideos.html

Click on "Committee on Operations" on the right side.

The info starts about 4 min. in. Joe

Finally found the time today to view that video. Thanks Joe, that is an excellent presentation. Wow, conventional carload traffic, garbage containers plus special intermodal pier section. Hope they can attract some serious traffic.

Not clear to me though, will they float just the waste containers (then load flats at Greenville) or float flats with containers already loaded?

From the look of the map in the presentation, I believe the containers will be floated across by barge then offloaded onto flatcars at Greenville.

Joe