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 #283240  by george matthews
 
My wife hopes to take PATH from Newark to 33rd St and then go on to GCT by bus (M4 or M5).

Is there any kind of ticket she can buy that will be good both on the train and on the bus? That is the only bus she will take in New York.

Where does she get the ticket in Newark?

 #283248  by bellstbarn
 
The complications of farecard systems make it difficult to explain to another person how to work them. In your question, there is a piece of luck. The other day at Newark, I observed the crowds coming upstairs and trying to get onto PATH. My suggestion: Follow the signs to PATH. On the platform, near the turnstiles there are two or three machines selling Metrocards and Quickcards (on the same machine). Purchase a Metrocard for a value of $10 or so. Use an old $10 bill or two $5 or a credit card or a debit card. You will receive a Metrocard with a riding value of $12.
Note how it is inserted into a new turnstile with the illuminated green tower. (Avoid the two cash turnstiles at Newark. These old machines were balky the other day.) There is a slot in front of the turnstile and an picture of how to face the Metrocard into the slot. The machine grabs your Metrocard and instantly gives it back to you through a slot in the top, a few inches ahead of where you inserted it. The green tower will say something like "Enter" or "Go" and say "Value remaining $10.50" because it has deducted the $1.50 Path fare. Go through the turnstile. If another person is traveling with you, after you get through the turnstile, you may turn around and give the Metrocard to the other person to use in a similar fashion. It will be returned through the same slot.
On 32nd Street, between 6th and 7th Avenues, you will find M4 buses ready to start their slow trip north to the Cloisters or Fort Tryon Park. Pay your fare by inserting the Metrocard into the fare box as demonstrated by the sign. (There are small arrows on the Metrocard). The fare box will take your card, waste some seconds reading it, and return it to you. As a bonus, a free transfer will be encoded onto the stripe, good on any MTA local bus (except M4 and maybe some other routes) or subway station within the next two hours, 18 minutes. Your card will now have a value of $8.50. If a second person is with you, that person may also dip the same Metrocard to pay the $2 bus fare. The catch is that if two people later transfer together (within the two hour margin), a single swipe uses the two encoded transfers.
The same Metrocard will work on the trip home. These Pay-per-ride Metrocards are great because they work on PATH, MTA transit, and JFK Airtrain. The "unlimited ride" Metrocards work only on MTA transit. And my senior Metrocard ($1 ride) does not work on PATH, so I keep a spare pay-per-ride for my trips on PATH.
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If $10 is too high for you, you can buy Metrocards encoded for a lesser value, but you will not get the $2 extra value. The remaining value on your Metrocard from that excursion to the city can be given to a friend going to the city. If you pass the expiration date on the card, at a subway booth (not PATH) you can transfer the value of the expired card and get a new card.
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Please, if any reader FINDS AN ERROR in my narrative, correct it! All best wishes.

 #283261  by george matthews
 
OK Thanks. She is just passing through New York from the airport to Connecticut and won't be doing any more travelling in New York. So, a single trip ticket and a single bus ticket will be the solution.

 #283264  by bellstbarn
 
Two more considerations, then:
How is she getting to Newark Penn Station? If she is using Newark Air Train plus NJ Transit, she will be buying a single pricey through ticket to New York's Penn Station. Fast.
If someone is dropping her at Newark Penn Station, there is still a choice of riding quickly on NJ Transit train (over $3) or taking the more frequent slow route on Path ($1.50 single ticket from machine, or $1.50 in a clumsy cash turnstile, bills or coins). At Journal Square one must walk across the platform to a 33rd Street train.
Paying a single fare on a New York City bus requires coins, no bills, that is 8 quarters (4 quarters if over 65 years). The bus fareboxes accept only dollar coins, quarters, dimes, and nickels, or Metrocards. Enjoy the visit!

 #283337  by george matthews
 
bellstbarn wrote:Two more considerations, then:
How is she getting to Newark Penn Station? If she is using Newark Air Train plus NJ Transit, she will be buying a single pricey through ticket to New York's Penn Station. Fast.
If someone is dropping her at Newark Penn Station, there is still a choice of riding quickly on NJ Transit train (over $3) or taking the more frequent slow route on Path ($1.50 single ticket from machine, or $1.50 in a clumsy cash turnstile, bills or coins). At Journal Square one must walk across the platform to a 33rd Street train.
Paying a single fare on a New York City bus requires coins, no bills, that is 8 quarters (4 quarters if over 65 years). The bus fareboxes accept only dollar coins, quarters, dimes, and nickels, or Metrocards. Enjoy the visit!
That's exactly the point. She wants to use the NJT bus from the airport to the Penn Station, and then take PATH to New York. We have been researching the cheapest route, and that is the one.

 #283615  by PeteyNice
 
So, yeah, the answer is to buy a MetroCard worth $3.50 at Newark ($1.50 for PATH, $2 for the NYC bus).

In a somewhat related note, I did not realize what highway robbery the Airport train station was. I realize that both NJT and the PA have to get paid when someone uses it and that the bus from Newark Penn Station is a pain in the ass but wow.

The bus costs $1.25 each way vs $7.50 each way for the train.

 #283634  by george matthews
 
PeteyNice wrote:So, yeah, the answer is to buy a MetroCard worth $3.50 at Newark ($1.50 for PATH, $2 for the NYC bus).

In a somewhat related note, I did not realize what highway robbery the Airport train station was. I realize that both NJT and the PA have to get paid when someone uses it and that the bus from Newark Penn Station is a pain in the ass but wow.

The bus costs $1.25 each way vs $7.50 each way for the train.
A couple of years ago we used the monorail without realising how expensive it is. On the return we took Amtrak to the Newark town station and then the bus. As we had plenty of time the bus was quite adequate, and to my surprise was air conditioned.

 #283679  by arrow
 
I think most travelers are more than willing to pay the $5 fare. It's the people that go there to pick people up or have to use that station more than a few times a year that have a problem with the $5 extra fare.