Discussion relating to the past and present operations of the NYC Subway, PATH, and Staten Island Railway (SIRT).

Moderator: GirlOnTheTrain

  by runningwithscalpels
From NJ.com
A report by the Port Authority that’s supported by the governors of New York and New Jersey floats the idea of eliminating overnight PATH service and turning over the system's operation to an outside organization — public or private.

Those ideas, along with others in the 99-page report that was released Saturday night, were slammed today by Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop, who said curtailing service on one of the region’s most vital transportation links would hurt not just his city's economy, but the state as a whole.
Entire story is here:
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... t_river%3E

Betcha if we weren't spending oodles of money on the Calatrava Catastrophe and extensions to EWR we wouldn't be having this discussion.

What say everyone else?
  by korbermeister
the Calatrava monstrosity will look better and better represent tragedies and resurgence in the wake of 9/11 than the oversized paperweight that is 1WTC and will remind tourists and residents alike that americans can still be daring. It also looks better than the Fulton st. station, which looks like a jewelry box IMHO.
As far as the PATH extension, it should've been built way before the monorail was proposed.
  by millerm277
In maintenance, necessary capital projects, etc yes. In spending billions of $ on frivolous architecture? Absolutely not.

As for daring, there are plenty of people who can manage to build something architecturally interesting without doing so with complete disregard as to practicality or budget.
  by Frank
I don't think anyone can blame this on the WTC Transportation Hub. It's too late to do anything now. Besides privatization would be a terrible idea.
  by CLamb
Does anyone have a link to statistics on hourly ridership?
  by CLamb
Historically did the trains run overnight? What did the H&M do?
  by ExCon90
The PRR New York Region ETT #10, effective Oct. 30, 1960, shows continuous 7-day service after midnight between Hudson Terminal and Newark, with departures from Newark and Hudson Terminal at :20 and :50 and arrivals at Hudson Terminal and Newark at :10 and :40, with a 10-minute headway resuming from Newark at 5:10 and HT at 5:40. Times at Journal Square were :00 and :30 in both directions, which sort of suggests at timed transfer with 33rd St. trains.
  by Head-end View
Don't these people making these privatization and hours-cutting suggestions understand that this is New York City? Not Washington DC or San Francisco where they pull the sidewalks in and close down public transit in the early morning hours. In NYC trains have always run 24/7, period.

What do we mean by privatization anyway? That the Port Authority would contract its operation out to one of those companies that runs other commuter railroads? What I think is more likely to happen is that ownership might be reassigned to New Jersey Transit.
  by umtrr-author
Just saw this in the New York Times online...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/15/nyreg ... pe=article" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"No Imminent Plans to Cut PATH Service, Agency Says"

Fair use quote:

"Late-night PATH service will not be cut any time soon, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey told New Jersey legislators this week... On Tuesday, the chairman of the Port Authority, John J. Degnan, sent a letter to the leaders of the New Jersey Senate and Assembly emphasizing that service would not be terminated in the near term, and if it were, such a step would only follow a thorough public review.

"The PATH carries roughly 2,000 riders overnight during the week, about 1 percent of daily ridership. Even so, the trains, which come every 35 minutes, are often packed with workers and revelers heading home... Some Port Authority officials pointed to the fact that the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s subways carry about 65,000 riders from 1 a.m. to 5 a.m. But the New York City system is many times larger than PATH, and the 65,000 riders also represents about 1 percent of daily ridership."