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Passenger excursion on Pan Am Southern - April 2013

Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.

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Re: Passenger excursion on Pan Am Southern - April 2013

 #1176368  by Dick H
 
In this thread back on April 15th, Mr. Deasy posted that the AAPRCO is planning their 2014
convention in Portland Maine and the routing from Chicago to Portland would include the
Mechanicville to Portland route of PAS/PAR.

http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopi ... 0#p1173764

The AAPRCO better get something in writing with a denial penality clause from Canadian Pacific if
the post referenced/URL below is correct. Supposedly, the new CEO at CP scrapped the
PAR/PAS run to Saratoga Springs with less than two weeks to go before the trip. For the
AAPRCO train to reach Mechanicville, they will need to do some running over CP track, which
does not normally host Amtrak trains. Otherwise, they will have to run from Albany to
Whitehall, over the VTR to Rutland and down to Hoosick Jct., just the reverse of what
the PAR?PAS special had to do.

http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopi ... 1&start=60

Re: Passenger excursion on Pan Am Southern - April 2013

 #1176988  by Trinnau
 
CN9634 wrote:The routing will most likely be CSX Chicago to PAR Rotterdam. No CP involved.
Except for that piece between Crescent (CPF 477 - where the Rotterdam branch ends) and Mechanicville - on the CP Frieght Main...

Re: Passenger excursion on Pan Am Southern - April 2013

 #1177061  by CN9634
 
Trinnau wrote:
CN9634 wrote:The routing will most likely be CSX Chicago to PAR Rotterdam. No CP involved.
Except for that piece between Crescent (CPF 477 - where the Rotterdam branch ends) and Mechanicville - on the CP Frieght Main...
Where Pan Am has trackage rights and can exercise whatever move it wants. A non-point.

Re: Passenger excursion on Pan Am Southern - April 2013

 #1177157  by newpylong
 
CN9634 wrote:
Trinnau wrote:
CN9634 wrote:The routing will most likely be CSX Chicago to PAR Rotterdam. No CP involved.
Except for that piece between Crescent (CPF 477 - where the Rotterdam branch ends) and Mechanicville - on the CP Frieght Main...
Where Pan Am has trackage rights and can exercise whatever move it wants. A non-point.
A non-point but still factual regardless. CP could sting the move at 477 or ME coming back if they got a hair across their a$s. Happens all the time.

Re: Passenger excursion on Pan Am Southern - April 2013

 #1177419  by Trinnau
 
newpylong wrote:A non-point but still factual regardless. CP could sting the move at 477 or ME coming back if they got a hair across their a$s. Happens all the time.
There is a possibility the trackage rights agreements expressly state freight moves or carrier equipment only. You can't for-sure say it's a non-point without knowing the language those agreements have.

Re: Passenger excursion on Pan Am Southern - April 2013

 #1177739  by CPF363
 
Who owns the line between XO (CPF467) and Crescent (CPF477), B&M (Pan Am Southern) or D&H (CP Rail)? The line up to the early 1990s was dispatched from North Billerica and had two tracks that ran from Mechanicville West (CPF470), a few miles west of XO, and Crescent. The 2nd track was cut back some years later and a new interlocking at CPF475 was installed with CPF470 and the remaining track between CPF470 and CPF475 retired. Shortly following the track reconfiguration, D&H dispatchers took control of CPF475 and CPF477 but N. Billerica held control of CPF467 at XO. Since the new NS yard at Mechanicville was installed, all of its associated interlockings are now controlled by CP. So, does Pan Am Southern jointly own the line between CPF467 and CPF477 or is it all CP ownership now?

Re: Passenger excursion on Pan Am Southern - April 2013

 #1178085  by newpylong
 
CPF363 wrote:Who owns the line between XO (CPF467) and Crescent (CPF477), B&M (Pan Am Southern) or D&H (CP Rail)? The line up to the early 1990s was dispatched from North Billerica and had two tracks that ran from Mechanicville West (CPF470), a few miles west of XO, and Crescent. The 2nd track was cut back some years later and a new interlocking at CPF475 was installed with CPF470 and the remaining track between CPF470 and CPF475 retired. Shortly following the track reconfiguration, D&H dispatchers took control of CPF475 and CPF477 but N. Billerica held control of CPF467 at XO. Since the new NS yard at Mechanicville was installed, all of its associated interlockings are now controlled by CP. So, does Pan Am Southern jointly own the line between CPF467 and CPF477 or is it all CP ownership now?
CP owns the mainline. But now with the new yard trains coming east can once again get off the main at Mechanicville West and go into the yard and that's the last they need to talk to the D&H as they can depart the yard and onto the B&M from the east end without going on the Main.
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