• P42 - Is There Life After Amtrak?

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Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

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  by frequentflyer
 
STrRedWolf wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:06 am
TurningOfTheWheel wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:47 pm Metra is an unlikely destination. They've recently rebuilt all their F40s, they have the SD70MAC conversions coming in the next couple of years with options for more, and they're looking to rebuild the F59 fleet they got from Amtrak/GO.
What's the fuel consumption on the F40's vs the P42's/P40's? Wikipedia claims it s lower on the P-series.
I remember when the Genesis debuted ( man I feel old), Amtrak was stating fuel savings of 20-25 percent over the then beloved F40.
  by nomis
 
The Jury is currently out on the first P40 that returned from Beech Grove rebuild for ConnDOT. If this is a successful program and can be ported from the P40 to P42, Commuter agencies may be more willing to fill out rosters with rebuilt units verses the current "run hard and put away wet".
  by asull85
 
Amtrak will most likely hang onto some of the P42's given the problems with the state owned Chargers. I could also see some commuter agencies grabbing some P42's once Amtrak starts selling the operable ones. As far as upgrading them to Evolution engines, Amtrak and GE looked into upgrading them to Evolution AC locomotives. They were going to be called EP42AC's or something like that. However, the EVO prime movers won't fit in the P42 carbody so it is impossible to do without re-engineering the prime mover.
  by dowlingm
 
Hard to see VIA taking P42s, when their own P42s seem a more logical disposal on the arrival of their SCB-40s than the more recently rebuilt F40PHs. Why keep three sets of parts around if you can have two? I guess some of those parts could be retained in MMC/TMC for Maple Leaf/Adirondack/extended Vermonter if that even happens, for as long as those services retain P42s.

My assumption was that they were more likely to be parted out for their electronics, since the limited supply and lack of third party market has been commented on here in the past.

Would Amtrak P42s be a good candidate for NPCU/APCU, especially on routes where they were already fitted with the same PTC equipment?
  by TurningOfTheWheel
 
dowlingm wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 11:08 amWould Amtrak P42s be a good candidate for NPCU/APCU, especially on routes where they were already fitted with the same PTC equipment?
This has been litigated several times before but you can't really make cabbages out of the P42s; you can't cut a hole for a door in the side of the monocoque body without compromising the structural integrity of the whole carbody. They're built very differently from the F40s, which are/were essentially a box on a frame. And Chargers have such a lower fuel consumption/cleaner burn than the P42s that it doesn't make a whole lot of financial sense to keep them as HEP/cab units either.
  by STrRedWolf
 
TurningOfTheWheel wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 5:37 pm This has been litigated several times before but you can't really make cabbages out of the P42s; you can't cut a hole for a door in the side of the monocoque body without compromising the structural integrity of the whole carbody. They're built very differently from the F40s, which are/were essentially a box on a frame. And Chargers have such a lower fuel consumption/cleaner burn than the P42s that it doesn't make a whole lot of financial sense to keep them as HEP/cab units either.
What would be cheaper in the long haul, then? Buy a Charger or rebuild a P42?
  by Greg Moore
 
dowlingm wrote: Sat May 01, 2021 11:08 am Hard to see VIA taking P42s, when their own P42s seem a more logical disposal on the arrival of their SCB-40s than the more recently rebuilt F40PHs. Why keep three sets of parts around if you can have two? I guess some of those parts could be retained in MMC/TMC for Maple Leaf/Adirondack/extended Vermonter if that even happens, for as long as those services retain P42s.

My assumption was that they were more likely to be parted out for their electronics, since the limited supply and lack of third party market has been commented on here in the past.

Would Amtrak P42s be a good candidate for NPCU/APCU, especially on routes where they were already fitted with the same PTC equipment?
Doubtful, since the next batch of single level car trainsets will include cab cars.