Oldest locomotive operating on a Class 1 or commuter line?

my contenders:

A brace of twenty 40-year old PRR SD40's, built in 1966, still operating with NS and CSX.
Rebuilt by CR in 1993 as SD40-2R's.

(yes, I know its a grey area when locos are rebuilt..but if its the same frame, cab and long hood, I consider it the original engine!
If I put a new engine in my car, its still the same car...
however, I would not count something like the CSX GP30 slugs..since they cant operate under their own power..)
im sure we will have to debate what qualifies!
thats ok..

so..who can beat 40 year old PRR SD40's?

Scot

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychao ... /index.htm

Hi Scotty,

Probably not that hard to do. An older surviving engine would be under 2000 hp, probably used as a yard switcher out in the sticks somewhere, and it has been there for many years. It probably is being run by a fellow that is younger than the engine. They were built to last in those days, required limited maintenance, and had incredible reliability.

Biggest surprise I got one day was being yelled at by a kid driving an old GG-1 in Sunnyside Yards, to get out of his way. The GG-1 silently glided by my pants leg.

'doh!
I forgot a class of engines already, older than my PRR SD40's.

Canadian Pacific still has some GP7's in service!
CP 1501-1511.
built 1953.

53 year old locomotives.

Scot

I was going to nominate the SD-9's from NS, but the earliest is March of 1955. 1953, anyone?

Dave Becker

Here are some old units.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... ?id=346963
http://www.trainpix.com/bnsf/EMDORIG/GP7/1300.HTM built 1/51
http://www.trainpix.com/bnsf/EMDORIG/GP7/1313B.HTM
http://www.trainpix.com/bnsf/EMDORIG/GP7/1375E.HTM built 1/51

U-Haul wrote:Here are some old units.
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... ?id=346963
http://www.trainpix.com/bnsf/EMDORIG/GP7/1300.HTM built 1/51
http://www.trainpix.com/bnsf/EMDORIG/GP7/1313B.HTM
http://www.trainpix.com/bnsf/EMDORIG/GP7/1375E.HTM built 1/51

cool!
I would say those 1/51 BNSF GP7's count..

But I dont think "the beep" would qualify, just because it cant be said to be an original anything..its a major kitbash..baldwin frame with EMD trucks and hood..I also would not consider CF7's for the same reason.

We now have January 1951 GP7's as our latest contenders..
almost 56 years old.

Scot

I would consider the SD9's older than the GP7's in a sense for sake of the Santa Fe ones are ''extensevely rebuilt''. The few BN GP10's we still have wouldnt count either, they should be in the category as the Beep. My nomination for the BNSF is SD9 #6127. It was the first one built for the Q. The SD9s are getting renumbered into the 1700's. The 6127 has already recieved hers although I cant remember it off hand. Oldest 2000 h.p.+ unit. Probably the 6327 built as GN SDP40 #325, class of 66.

scottychaos wrote:my contenders:

A brace of twenty 40-year old PRR SD40's, built in 1966, still operating with NS and CSX.
Rebuilt by CR in 1993 as SD40-2R's.

(yes, I know its a grey area when locos are rebuilt..but if its the same frame, cab and long hood, I consider it the original engine!
If I put a new engine in my car, its still the same car...
however, I would not count something like the CSX GP30 slugs..since they cant operate under their own power..)
im sure we will have to debate what qualifies!
thats ok..

so..who can beat 40 year old PRR SD40's?

Scot

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychao ... /index.htm

If you are listing the Conrail SD-40's that I think you are, rebuilt in the
90's, they did not come from the PRR but I think they may have come from KCS or CP.
I worked on those things a few years ago and I am sure that they were not PRR power.
Noel Weaver

UP 3985

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From UP.com
Union Pacific Challenger No. 3985 was designed by Union Pacific and built in 1943 by the American Locomotive Company. It is one of 105 Challengers built for Union Pacific between 1936 and 1943 and is the only operating engine of its class in the world today – the largest and most powerful operating steam locomotive.

UP 1234
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From UP.com
In use as the "shop switcher" at the Cheyenne heritage complex is the SW-10 No. 1234. A historically interesting engine in its own right, it was built in 1951.

Noel Weaver wrote:

scottychaos wrote:my contenders:

A brace of twenty 40-year old PRR SD40's, built in 1966, still operating with NS and CSX.
Rebuilt by CR in 1993 as SD40-2R's.

(yes, I know its a grey area when locos are rebuilt..but if its the same frame, cab and long hood, I consider it the original engine!
If I put a new engine in my car, its still the same car...
however, I would not count something like the CSX GP30 slugs..since they cant operate under their own power..)
im sure we will have to debate what qualifies!
thats ok..

so..who can beat 40 year old PRR SD40's?

Scot

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychao ... /index.htm

If you are listing the Conrail SD-40's that I think you are, rebuilt in the
90's, they did not come from the PRR but I think they may have come from KCS or CP.
I worked on those things a few years ago and I am sure that they were not PRR power.
Noel Weaver

"did not come from the PRR "
"I am sure that they were not PRR power."

Noel,
you shouldnt be so sure!
The majority of the 1993 SD40-2R rebuilds were in fact PRR engines, and several are still operating today.

here is the entire Conrail SD40-2R rebuild list, showing the heritage of each unit in the program:

http://crcyc.railfan.net/locos/emd/sd40 ... rrost.html

that gives the new Conrail numbers after the rebuild.
the units made it to the 1999 split.
Here are the units that went to CSX and NS:
http://www.conrailcorp.com/crtonslist.html
http://www.conrailcorp.com/crtocsxlist.html

I then took all three lists and created the SD40-2R roster of PRR and PC units for the survivors page:

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychao ... /index.htm

The upshot: 20 PRR and 6 PC SD40's are still running on NS and CSX,
from the Conrail SD40-2R program.

Pics of a few running recently:

PRR 6043 on NS:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=161353

PRR 6058 on CSX:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=39450

Scot

Almost had it there. DMIR #11 is an NW2u (SW1200) built 9/1949. CN had it for sale earlier this year, so it might not be in service. Not sure how to check but I think it was retired earlier this year. In any case CP 2816 is a 4-6-4 built by MLW in 1930. It is on CPs roster and used in excursion service.

What about ATSF #2301, the last surviving ATSF HH660.

http://www.qstation.org/ATSF2301/

Engineer James wrote:What about ATSF #2301, the last surviving ATSF HH660.

http://www.qstation.org/ATSF2301/

It survives, but is not in use.

scottychaos wrote:

Noel Weaver wrote:

scottychaos wrote:my contenders:

A brace of twenty 40-year old PRR SD40's, built in 1966, still operating with NS and CSX.
Rebuilt by CR in 1993 as SD40-2R's.

(yes, I know its a grey area when locos are rebuilt..but if its the same frame, cab and long hood, I consider it the original engine!
If I put a new engine in my car, its still the same car...
however, I would not count something like the CSX GP30 slugs..since they cant operate under their own power..)
im sure we will have to debate what qualifies!
thats ok..

so..who can beat 40 year old PRR SD40's?

Scot

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychao ... /index.htm

If you are listing the Conrail SD-40's that I think you are, rebuilt in the
90's, they did not come from the PRR but I think they may have come from KCS or CP.
I worked on those things a few years ago and I am sure that they were not PRR power.
Noel Weaver

"did not come from the PRR "
"I am sure that they were not PRR power."

Noel,
you shouldnt be so sure!
The majority of the 1993 SD40-2R rebuilds were in fact PRR engines, and several are still operating today.

here is the entire Conrail SD40-2R rebuild list, showing the heritage of each unit in the program:

http://crcyc.railfan.net/locos/emd/sd40 ... rrost.html

that gives the new Conrail numbers after the rebuild.
the units made it to the 1999 split.
Here are the units that went to CSX and NS:
http://www.conrailcorp.com/crtonslist.html
http://www.conrailcorp.com/crtocsxlist.html

I then took all three lists and created the SD40-2R roster of PRR and PC units for the survivors page:

http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychao ... /index.htm

The upshot: 20 PRR and 6 PC SD40's are still running on NS and CSX,
from the Conrail SD40-2R program.

Pics of a few running recently:

PRR 6043 on NS:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=161353

PRR 6058 on CSX:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=39450

Scot

Sorry about that, I stand corrected.
Noel Weaver