Site Admin Note: split from MNRR Danbury topic as we're starting to run the gamut here, not just MNRR. No worries, though, it's an interesting evolution of the topic.
Tad, I could definitely imagine the NYW&B using the 2nd or 3rd Ave El trackage, provided of course they had the right equipment. E.g. "A" division equipment, and dual mode, although could you imagine the weight on an El?. Probably the better idea would have been to convert the NYW&B to third rail (possible, since it ended in NYS).
The 2nd Av line was torn down in 1942, a few short years after the death of the NYW&B. Of course, the steel was otherwise needed, and the 3rd Av elevated was lucky it survived that war drive as well. Since the 2nd Ave el was an "off-shoot" of the 3rd, that trackage could have been used all the way into the Bronx, and perhaps continued across Gun Hill Rd to connect. Even without that, a way might have been found to connect it to the Third Ave Bridge over the Harlem River.
That would have been an interesting conversion. Limit the stations (i.e. drastically reduce the stops in the Bronx and Manhattan) and run all the way down from Columbus Junction to Gun Hill and make a right. You'd not only have had access to midtown and competition with GCT and the New York Central, but you could continue on to downtown, Wall St, etc.
Noel Weaver wrote:
Tadman wrote:Noel, your father's impression of the CNS&M was pretty accurate. It was way before my time, but the road was known for two things: 1. Speed; 2. Access to downtown over trackage rights on Chicago's L. This mean 48' LOA max on train cars, giving them a "trolley car" feel due to their short length. The L has quite a few 90-degree curves between downtown and Howard street. (11 maybe?)
YES!! I rode the North Shore a couple of different times and I remember it pretty well. It was an impressive ride. Last time I rode it was a couple of months before the last trains. This is one line that should still be running, too bad the states did not step forward to help save it.
Imagine if NYW&B or NH used trackage rights on IRT/IND rather than NYC to reach downtown Manhattan...