NJT/MN Football trains run again for 2010

what ?? they forgot to tell you Brian ??

Wayside Observer wrote:Since there will only be one round trip, the ridership maybe much higher.

Information about the upcoming season's MNCR thru trains has been made public?

DutchRailnut wrote:what ?? they forgot to tell you Brian ??

Depends on the answer to the question. Since you don't know the answer, you can STFU LOL.

Was there service for todays game at the meadowlands?

Attendance was over 77,000.

jamesinclair wrote:Was there service for todays game at the meadowlands?

Attendance was over 77,000.

Metro-North service? I'm 99.9999% sure there was not.

Terrapin Station wrote:

DutchRailnut wrote:what ?? they forgot to tell you Brian ??

Depends on the answer to the question. Since you don't know the answer, you can STFU LOL.

Just one train per day this year, each direction.

RearOfSignal wrote:

Terrapin Station wrote:

DutchRailnut wrote:what ?? they forgot to tell you Brian ??

Depends on the answer to the question. Since you don't know the answer, you can STFU LOL.

Just one train per day this year, each direction.

Has information about the upcoming season's MNCR thru trains been made public?

http://www.mta.info/mta/budget/july2010 ... 0_vol2.pdf

Right smack-dab in the middle of page 377.

Program Description/Implementation Plan:
Meadowlands football game service will be reduced from two to one train in the fall of 2010.

RearOfSignal wrote:http://www.mta.info/mta/budget/july2010 ... 0_vol2.pdf

Right smack-dab in the middle of page 377.

Program Description/Implementation Plan:
Meadowlands football game service will be reduced from two to one train in the fall of 2010.

Thank you!!

Third time was a charm

Though I anxiously await the actual meaty info meant for rider consumption.

Terrapin Station wrote:

jamesinclair wrote:Was there service for todays game at the meadowlands?

Attendance was over 77,000.

Metro-North service? I'm 99.9999% sure there was not.

Doesnt make sense to me. Demand is demand, why provide service for one group of fans but not another?

The NJT /MN trains can only operate on Sundays and only certain afternoon games.
Amtrak has no other slots available, so no Saterday or weekday game trains.

jamesinclair wrote:

Terrapin Station wrote:

jamesinclair wrote:Was there service for todays game at the meadowlands?

Attendance was over 77,000.

Metro-North service? I'm 99.9999% sure there was not.

Doesnt make sense to me. Demand is demand, why provide service for one group of fans but not another?

Are you basing that statement on knowledge of both what the football demand is and what the soccer would be? Because I imagine they'd be different...

Terrapin Station wrote:

jamesinclair wrote:

Terrapin Station wrote:
Metro-North service? I'm 99.9999% sure there was not.

Doesnt make sense to me. Demand is demand, why provide service for one group of fans but not another?

Are you basing that statement on knowledge of both what the football demand is and what the soccer would be? Because I imagine they'd be different...

Sports attendance is generally not that hard to predict, especially because most tickets are sold in advance. The question is not football vs soccer demand, its looking at specific games. Anybody could have told you that USA-Brazil would be a huge draw.

DutchRailnut wrote:The NJT /MN trains can only operate on Sundays and only certain afternoon games.
Amtrak has no other slots available, so no Saterday or weekday game trains.

This makes more sense, and is what I wanted to know. Thank you, and Im disappointed to hear that.

jamesinclair wrote: Sports attendance is generally not that hard to predict, especially because most tickets are sold in advance. The question is not football vs soccer demand, its looking at specific games. Anybody could have told you that USA-Brazil would be a huge draw.

No, you are not understanding what I am saying/asking. I'm not asking about the demand for the game. That's obvious - tickets sold. I'm talking about demand for the MNCR RAIL SERVICE from Connecticut/NYS to Secaucus/Meadowlands. You claimed that this service should have been run, and that "demand is demand". But demand for the game is not the same as demand for the rail service. Demand for the rail service depends heavily on where people are coming from, as well as several other factors that conceivably differ between football fans and soccer fans.

In order to claim that the MNCR RAIL SERVICE should have been run, you have to know both how much demand there is for the service during football games and how much demand for the service there could be expected for soccer games. I don't think you know either of those things, so I don't think you were correct or justified in making the statement that the MNCR RAIL SERVICE should have been run for the soccer game.

I've heard that not only does Amtrak not have enough space in Penn Station for more than the scheduled trains, but NJT can't spare the equipment for them as well.