NJ&NY RR Spring Valley, New City, Haverstraw (aka NJT PV)

Ok I did a search on here a few times to try and narrow it down. I tried it on google also but to no avail.

Im trying to find out how far did the current PVL go back when it was under erie and before that the new york & new jersey railroad. Did it stop at it's current terminus at spring valley or did it go further north?

Also was there a WYE at the current spring valley station?

You've got the name backwards -- it's 'New Jersey & New York'.

Google search on that will be far more productive.

At one time this line went further, to Haverstraw. I will have to dig out some old timetables to find it, will get back at sometime in the future about this one.
Noel Weaver

A 1969 EL timetable shows it extended to Thiells MP38.0

Stations beyond Spring Valley were:
Woodbine
New Hempstead
Summit Park
Pomona
Mount Ivy
Thiells

Mr. Weaver is of course right again.

If you can get your hands on a copy of "The Next Station Will Be..., volume 2", a timetable and a map are reproduced showing trains well beyond Thiells to Haverstraw, circa 1909.

I do not believe there was an interchange with the West Shore there.

The NJ&NY went beyond Thiels to Haverstraw and there was also the New City branch that went from Nanuet to New City. I also don't believe there was ever an interchange with the West Shore at Haverstraw. Don't think there was ever a wye at Spring Valley, but not sure.

I am not sure either as to whether there was ever a connection between the NJ & NY and the NYC at Haverstraw. I have my doubts that there ever was. The River Line crossed the old right of way on a small bridge between Haverstraw and West Haverstraw stations, it still does but now it is just a dirt right of way. When I say it still does, it did as of 1982 which was the last year that I ran a train on the River Line.
Noel Weaver

Interestingly enough, the 1943 USGS map of Haverstraw shows a connection to the West Shore in the NW quadrant (where the condos are now) Also shows the terminus just to the West of Lincoln School on West Broad St at about Clove Ave.

http://docs.unh.edu/NY/hvsw43nw.jpg

If you go back far enough, I'm sure you can find that there were armstrong turntables on this line in several locations, likewise branches that may have allowed a wye here and there.

I believe that there was such an arrangement at Middletown Road in Nanuet... there were two crossings within about 200 feet of each other in the direction of Piermont, I would suspect this was the last turning point past what I thought was the turntable location at Hillsdale. This after 1945 or so, and paved over by the mid-seventies with the elimination of service east and west on the old Erie main line, the Piermont branch.

See if you can find a copy of the book "The Pascack Valley Line", by Wilson E. Jones; published by the Railroadians of America, 1996.

Comprehensive and well researched, it should answer any questions about the NJ&NY.

I have the book, but (typically) can't find it at the moment...

Don't feel bad, I have all kinds of things that I "can't find it at the moment" but eventually I usually find the stuff generally when I do not want it but want something else.
Noel Weaver

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with selective amnesia lately...

Anyway, someone had posted this link several years ago...

http://raildata.railfan.net/erie/homeerr.html

This trackmap shows a turntable at Woodbine, although Mr. Sundermeyer doesn't show an original date of the plan...

Good link, thanks for posting!

Steve,

Of further interest, the section of the NJ & NY between Nanuet and Spring Valley is the original Erie Main Line.

Charles

RichM wrote:I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with selective amnesia lately...

Anyway, someone had posted this link several years ago...

http://raildata.railfan.net/erie/homeerr.html

This trackmap shows a turntable at Woodbine, although Mr. Sundermeyer doesn't show an original date of the plan...

that link was awesome. it confirms what i had thought of there beeing wye by the nanuet station.