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Pertaining to all railroading subjects, past and present, in New England

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  by b&m 1566
CPF66 wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 3:23 pm The STB has yet to make a decision which allows an active rail line to get land locked. Whitefield-Groveton is safe regardless of who owns or who doesn't own the lease.
Technically they already have. They allowed Guilford to abandon the Mountain Division in the early 90's, leaving the Conway Scenic stranded until the state purchased the ROW.
  by NHV 669
Wasn't Twin State already moving cars in/out for them already? Twin State was operating the area before GTI pulled up stakes completely.
  by b&m 1566
Twin State leased Whitefield to St Johnsbury, they never had a need to lease anything further east, there was no business until you got into Maine. Once the state purchased the ROW, they went through the bid process and with CS winning the bid, that's when they regained access to the national network.
  by CPF66
This is a case where dates are important.
The last train on the Mountain Division was in the 80's.
The Mountain Division was abandoned in 1992.
It was reopened by Conway Scenic in 1994.
The STB wasn't formed until 1996...

The ICC handled the abandonment process. I am guessing at the time there wasn't really a need to fight the abandonment of the MD because it had been out of service for almost a decade and was impassable. Fighting the filing would have only drawn out Guilford's ownership. Plus they didn't have a need to maintain an outside rail connection, since they weren't currently using one. The key difference between then and now, is they operate to Hazens and rely on an outside connection. There is no way the STB would allow them to be severed.
  by b&m 1566
The last trains through Crawford Notch were the loaded and empty stone trains that went through on a number of occasions from May/June - October 1984, including a high and wide load and Operation Lifesaver. A stone train was the very last train led by MEC 575 (led west) and B&M 1555 and 1733 (led east on the return). Service to Conway continue until the strike of 1986, with only a train or two returning at the after the strike. The Mountain Division was abandoned in two stages, July 1991 (Bartlett to Twin Mountain) and then February 1994 (stateline to Bartlett and Twin Mountain to Whitefield).

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR- ... 4-1768.htm
  by NHV 669
The three Ohio Central coaches, center depressed flat (MEC 999), and tool car (MEC 995) are on the interchange siding in North Stratford, ready for movement to Groveton to head down to CSRX at Hazens.
  by Fritz
The train "tried" to depart around 0900 (most of crew was there before 0800), but the engine barely made it past the station before the flat car and boxcar derailed:


After some delay, the NHCR left the two derail cars behind and headed south with the three Ohio Central passenger cars (no mixed train today!). They passed through Lancaster about 1030.
  by NHV 669
And with the recent VRS acquisition, it's motorcar time:
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  by NHV 669
Passed the VRS grapple truck in Lisbon again the other day. This time they were on the move WB, with what looked like a full load of new ties headed for NHCR territory.
  by bigfreight
Maine track and VRS have active on the line rplacing Ties. They went thru Lancaster several times last week
  by Goddraug
It seemed like quite the deluge these last few days up there. Assuming the track gangs will be up there as soon as possible? Sure hope they didn’t already replace the majority of the ties on the line or else that’d be a waste.
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