MARC and the new B&P / Frederick Douglass Tunnel

The B&P / Frederick Douglass tunnel will be four single-track tubes, with massive ventilation ports. One tunnel "ducks under" two others so the MARC tracks line up at the platforms before and after the tunnel. The old tunnel will be closed off and kept intact.

The West Baltimore MARC station will be rebuilt with high-level platforms.

kitchin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:30 am The B&P / Frederick Douglass tunnel will be four single-track tubes, with massive ventilation ports. One tunnel "ducks under" two others so the MARC tracks line up at the platforms before and after the tunnel. The old tunnel will be closed off and kept intact.

The West Baltimore MARC station will be rebuilt with high-level platforms.

Last I heard, it would be 2 tracks, with old tunnel left for freight

scratchyX1 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:33 am

kitchin wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:30 am The B&P / Frederick Douglass tunnel will be four single-track tubes, with massive ventilation ports. One tunnel "ducks under" two others so the MARC tracks line up at the platforms before and after the tunnel. The old tunnel will be closed off and kept intact.

The West Baltimore MARC station will be rebuilt with high-level platforms.

Last I heard, it would be 2 tracks, with old tunnel left for freight

https://www.baltimoresun.com/business/b ... story.html

Two tunnel bores. No word on how big they are going to be. If you assume similar to the plan, it would be two tracks.

Still... that's 10-15 years before MARC has to electrify... but then Amtrak will have ACS-64's to spare/sell.

Thanks for the correction. Amtrak links to the Record of Decision, March 2017, which has all four tunnels. But the news reports in June say just two for now.

What I remember is that it was initially just building 2 bores at first and the other 2 later. However cost estimates were about 75% for 2 bores as for 4. Then costs for the set ups building the other 2 later will push the costs where?

Part of first 2 costs may be the cross over bore for MARC at Baltimore Penn?

west point wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:50 pm What I remember is that it was initially just building 2 bores at first and the other 2 later. However cost estimates were about 75% for 2 bores as for 4. Then costs for the set ups building the other 2 later will push the costs where?

Part of first 2 costs may be the cross over bore for MARC at Baltimore Penn?

Maybe for setting it up so they could bore the cross-over at a later date. There's still going to be work to reconfigure CHARLES and BRIDGE to handle the new routes, and don't be surprised if BRIDGE gets a full 1-2/2-1 crossover... or they rename it to a nearby road. There's still work if they want to turn the B&P into a freight-only line.

STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:11 am

west point wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:50 pm What I remember is that it was initially just building 2 bores at first and the other 2 later. However cost estimates were about 75% for 2 bores as for 4. Then costs for the set ups building the other 2 later will push the costs where?

Part of first 2 costs may be the cross over bore for MARC at Baltimore Penn?

Maybe for setting it up so they could bore the cross-over at a later date. There's still going to be work to reconfigure CHARLES and BRIDGE to handle the new routes, and don't be surprised if BRIDGE gets a full 1-2/2-1 crossover... or they rename it to a nearby road. There's still work if they want to turn the B&P into a freight-only line.

Don't forget that alot of the work is for rerouting the tracks outside the tunnel, and the new ADA compliant west Baltimore station, with high platforms

scratchyX1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:26 am Don't forget that alot of the work is for rerouting the tracks outside the tunnel, and the new ADA compliant west Baltimore station, with high platforms

West Baltimore started screaming for high platforms the day Halethorpe got high platforms, and got the megaphone when BaltimoreLink turned it into a proper transfer station with bus bays. It so needs it since all the other stations are high platform.

The question now is... do I spend 30 minutes from West Baltimore to Penn and then back down by bus... or do I get off a West Baltimore and pick up a bus anyway, and get to work in roughly 20 minutes? Ehhhh... (going back home would definitely go up to Penn because heating/air conditioning).

STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:53 pm

scratchyX1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:26 am Don't forget that alot of the work is for rerouting the tracks outside the tunnel, and the new ADA compliant west Baltimore station, with high platforms

West Baltimore started screaming for high platforms the day Halethorpe got high platforms, and got the megaphone when BaltimoreLink turned it into a proper transfer station with bus bays. It so needs it since all the other stations are high platform.

The question now is... do I spend 30 minutes from West Baltimore to Penn and then back down by bus... or do I get off a West Baltimore and pick up a bus anyway, and get to work in roughly 20 minutes? Ehhhh... (going back home would definitely go up to Penn because heating/air conditioning).

Wasn't west baltimore sorta an add hoc station, created for MARC service in 84, replacing the edmonson station two blocks north? Not that the old station wasn't also on a curve.

Going in, I'd use the bus. More options for getting downtown, the light blue (which uses the death star trench) and the orange. So less waiting. I know it's impractical, but a shuttle from west balt station to lexington or charles center timed to connect with MARC trains would likely get a lot of use.

scratchyX1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:25 pm Wasn't west baltimore sorta an add hoc station, created for MARC service in 84, replacing the edmonson station two blocks north? Not that the old station wasn't also on a curve.

Going in, I'd use the bus. More options for getting downtown, the light blue (which uses the death star trench) and the orange. So less waiting. I know it's impractical, but a shuttle from west balt station to lexington or charles center timed to connect with MARC trains would likely get a lot of use.

The one good thing I have is that work is within two blocks of Charles Center. So there's that. Just wish the subway service was built out a hell of a lot more.