Lets try to nail this down once and for all! 
Based on a lot of research and pouring through photos, here is my list of LV passenger car schemes..
any comments or corrections?
I have also posted this in other forums, to get as large a knowledge base as possible..
thanks,
Scot
LV passenger cars were pullman green with gold lettering until 1939.
No LV passenger cars were in Cornell red before 1939..it was all pullman green until then.
In 1939 the Asa Packer scheme was introduced for that train.
the Orange & Black Asa Packer scheme.
first departure from the pullman green.
In 1939 the new scheme for the John Wilkes & Black Diamond was introduced..
This was the first use of Cornell Red on LV passenger cars..
These trains were pulled by the 5 streamlined pacifics specially designed for the 2 trains..
the scheme was red, black & white:
http://www.mrmuffinstrains.com/TrainPic ... es%202.jpg
not ALL LV passenger cars were painted in these new 1939 schemes however..only the cars specifically assigned to those three 1939 trains. (Asa Packer, John Wilkes and Black Diamond)
all the cars on the "lesser trains" remained in Pullman Green.
sometime between 1939 and 1948, LV passenger cars began recieving solid cornell red. There was very little upkeep during the war years, and it seems cars got painted solid red if they needed painting, rather than upkeep the complicated scheme.
There is a photo on page 92 of "LV in color, volume II" that shows a train with a mix of Pullman green and solid red cars. in 1947.
By the time the Alco PA's arrived in 1948, LV passenger trains wore solid cornell red to match the PA's..
some Pullman green cars lasted possibly all the way to 1948 and the arrival of the PAs..there is a color photo from 1947 showing green cars.
The special 1939 editions of the B.D, J.W, and A.P. schemes probably didnt last beyond WWII..and so were very short-lived schemes.
The war years were basically when most cars began to recieve solid red.
EVERY color photo I have seen of a LV passenger trains pulled by PAs has all solid red cars.
so basically there are 3 eras of LV passenger schemes:
1.) before 1939 - all pullman green with gold lettering.
2.) 1939 to 1948 - the 1939 John Wilkes & Black Diamond scheme, and 1939 Asa Packer scheme.
Also during this era, Green cars still remain, and many cars start to recieve solid red.
3.) 1948 to end of passenger service - (Alco PA era)
all trains solid Cornell Red.
Scot
a few unanswered questions.
when did the first car recieve solid cornell red?
when did the last car from the 1939 schemes get repainted?
when did the last green car get repainted?
Based on a lot of research and pouring through photos, here is my list of LV passenger car schemes..
any comments or corrections?
I have also posted this in other forums, to get as large a knowledge base as possible..
thanks,
Scot
LV passenger cars were pullman green with gold lettering until 1939.
No LV passenger cars were in Cornell red before 1939..it was all pullman green until then.
In 1939 the Asa Packer scheme was introduced for that train.
the Orange & Black Asa Packer scheme.
first departure from the pullman green.
In 1939 the new scheme for the John Wilkes & Black Diamond was introduced..
This was the first use of Cornell Red on LV passenger cars..
These trains were pulled by the 5 streamlined pacifics specially designed for the 2 trains..
the scheme was red, black & white:
http://www.mrmuffinstrains.com/TrainPic ... es%202.jpg
not ALL LV passenger cars were painted in these new 1939 schemes however..only the cars specifically assigned to those three 1939 trains. (Asa Packer, John Wilkes and Black Diamond)
all the cars on the "lesser trains" remained in Pullman Green.
sometime between 1939 and 1948, LV passenger cars began recieving solid cornell red. There was very little upkeep during the war years, and it seems cars got painted solid red if they needed painting, rather than upkeep the complicated scheme.
There is a photo on page 92 of "LV in color, volume II" that shows a train with a mix of Pullman green and solid red cars. in 1947.
By the time the Alco PA's arrived in 1948, LV passenger trains wore solid cornell red to match the PA's..
some Pullman green cars lasted possibly all the way to 1948 and the arrival of the PAs..there is a color photo from 1947 showing green cars.
The special 1939 editions of the B.D, J.W, and A.P. schemes probably didnt last beyond WWII..and so were very short-lived schemes.
The war years were basically when most cars began to recieve solid red.
EVERY color photo I have seen of a LV passenger trains pulled by PAs has all solid red cars.
so basically there are 3 eras of LV passenger schemes:
1.) before 1939 - all pullman green with gold lettering.
2.) 1939 to 1948 - the 1939 John Wilkes & Black Diamond scheme, and 1939 Asa Packer scheme.
Also during this era, Green cars still remain, and many cars start to recieve solid red.
3.) 1948 to end of passenger service - (Alco PA era)
all trains solid Cornell Red.
Scot
a few unanswered questions.
when did the first car recieve solid cornell red?
when did the last car from the 1939 schemes get repainted?
when did the last green car get repainted?
