Discussion relating to the past and present operations of the NYC Subway, PATH, and Staten Island Railway (SIRT).

Moderator: GirlOnTheTrain

  by andrewjw
 
They will at least be making many of the longer-term upgrades which had been promised with the shutdown. https://new.mta.info/l-project

Also - the Times paywall activates after you view some number of articles. So if you hit it you can open them in Private Browsing / Incognito mode. (Same with Washington Post.)
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Mr. Andrewjw, good to learn that The Times paywall does not plug the knotholes immediately.

Even though Gray Lady labels this material as News Analysis, it rings of Opinion to me. It certainly represents a departure from her Editorial Board which has held that Andy (Cuomo) should "just sit down and listen to the professionals".

Obviously, if Andy is right in that adequate repairs can be made with less disruption to people's (aka voters) lives, then a true service has been done (my Niece lived along the L Line). If not, they'll just be back for more patchwork:

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Fair Use:
...In a famous medical study, two doctors traced a chain of errors that brought the wrong patient, a “Mrs. Morris,” to an operating room for an invasive heart procedure that she did not want, did not need and that no one had actually ordered for her.

It turned out that 17 separate mistakes were made before anyone realized that the wrong woman was on the table. Thankfully, Mrs. Morris was not harmed. The doctors said it was an “organizational accident,” meaning that one person could not have done it alone. Sticking tubes into the wrong person’s heart required mess-ups by many people.

One day, Mrs. Morris may be joined in the great case studies of near blunders by New York’s L train fiasco. This one took a team of people, too.

Right after the New Year, Gov. Andrew Cuomo made the startling announcement that New York City’s L subway line, whose East River tunnel was damaged by Hurricane Sandy in 2012, could remain in service while fixes were carried out...
  by flexliner
 
Read somewhere that the plan proposed by the gov was already considered by the teams studying and planning the repairs
and rejected by them
so it certainly is not something brand new
if i find the reference will post it
  by Backshophoss
 
The Cuomo plan continues the "Band Aid" patch and "Meatball" repair drill,that wont work! :P
The 15 month close and rebuild from scratch plan is what's needed here!! :wink:
  by Jeff Smith
 
https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/ra ... completed/

fine'! Governor was correct.
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo predicted last year that the Canarsie Tunnels between Brooklyn and Fourteenth Street in Manhattan on New York City Transit’s L train line would be repaired without a major service disruption. He was correct. Cuomo announced on April 26 that the service reductions necessitated by the tunnel repair project were over, and that both tunnels would be open for service on April 27 under the New York MTA Essential Service Plan. His announcement came on the one-year anniversary of the beginning of reduced service.

Superstorm Sandy damaged the tunnels in late 2012. The original repair plan called for demolishing and rebuilding the bench walls and embedded cables. This would have required a total service shutdown on the portion of the L line in Manhattan and under the East River to Brooklyn for 18 months. All stations in Brooklyn except one would have still provided service, but there would have been no subway service in Manhattan on 14th Street for the first time in almost 95 years.

With neighborhood development and a spurt of ridership growth in recent years along the L, NYCT’s first line upgraded to CBTC (communications-based train control), Cuomo looked toward a less-disruptive alternative. He called on the deans and senior faculty of the Columbia and Cornell University engineering schools for a second opinion. They recommended abandoning the cables encased in the tunnel’s bench walls, hanging new cables on racks mounted to the tunnel wall, and covering them with FRP (fiber reinforced polymer, a state-of-the-art protective material. A local supplier, Snake Tray®, provided the cable racking system.
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  by GirlOnTheTrain
 
Until it collapses under the river in 10 or 15 years and Andy Byford will be cackling from the office at whatever agency he ends up at, saying "I told you so!" in a very British way.
  by Jeff Smith
 
Cuomo will be out of office by then... agree that the repairs made will not be as long-lived.