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  by CN9634
 
There has been a lot of really interesting remarks by DP World Canada on this port the last few weeks which I suggest looking to. We are still in early innings for this port, an it would seem that global shifts may lead to more catalyzed growth upcoming.

A few points--

Remember the creation of Gemini (Hapag+Maersk) is also leading to the demise of 2M and THE Alliance. 2M leaves MSC to their own, which has taken a strong position in PSA Halifax as its dominant point of entry. Maersk and Hapag will likely drop Halifax in favor of Saint John once the cooperation is underway (assuming they get through the FMC revised application process). Another reason they may opt for SJ is that Gemini is targeting a 90% schedule on time metric, a far improvement from the current 60%. Terminal utilization presently is about 40% at any given time with low rail dwell, so naturally this may be a big boost to achieve te 90% schedule (for ships, not for inland rail).

With the split of THE Alliance, that leaves ONE, HMM and Yang Ming out to fend for themselves. This group is severly weakened by the departure of Hapag, with the strongest line being ONE. However, ONE has realigned itself with CPKC from CN, which suggests it may be trying to go it alone, find its way into another alliance, or coincidentally bond itself to Gemini, which would no doubt be happy to sell slots on ships that have capacity.

At present the AL5 service of THE Alliance calls SJ going eastbound from Caucedo to SJ and back to Europe. On the TAWB trip it hits Halifax as the first port of entry before heading down the USEC. This service exclusively uses ONE vessels in the 5000 TEU range, which is no problem for SJ. I would guess that ONE may consider dropping Halifax in favor of SJ, or at the least add SJ on the WB trip to hedge traffic on both railroads.

The EC5 service calling Halifax features neopanamax vessels in the 14K range, which for SJ is technically possible but really would stretch them. They would need 2-3 more cranes to efficiently work a 14K TEU vessel and protect the other business, since you really need 3 cranes per vessel to peak out your efficiency at each birth (3+3+1 floater/spare). Moving this service to SJ may turn out to be a disaster until the 800K TEU mark is met, and new surface equipment + cranes are brought to the port.

Halifax is in an interesting position at the moment. PSA now owns both terminals and has decided to reconsile traffic into its larger terminal, which has thrust a bit of chaos into the operation. While they'll definitely get through that change, the arrival of the new cranes also will boost efficiency and really push through the operation for big ships at its peak efficiency. While the steamship lines love to get the bigger ships, they also become port hogs and need to be worked quickly with as many cranes as possible for loading/unloading simulatenously.

No one has a crystal ball, but inevitably, the red sea crisis, which is impacting ~15% of global trade at a minimum (likely more), will end. This is a major bottleneck for expanding services from Far East and Indian Subcontinent to the east coast of Canada. Right now, MSC lands a few of these services into Halifax, but with the additional time sailling around the Cape of Good Hope, they've been omitting Halifax on service trips to protect the schedule. Again, once that bottleneck is clear, opportunities for SJ will open on the Asian trade routes. I also expect Halifax to pickup steam with MSC and CMA likewise.

Don't underestimate the Port of Saint John, but also recognize the volatility to major global events. Recessessions, wars, accidents (think a few years ago EVERGREEN plugged up the Suez with a ship) are all major influences at any given time on global trade. Also realize that shippers 20 or so years ago thought the best strategy was to focus on a single port to pump all their volumes. This even lasted up until 5-10 years ago until shippers realized a hedged strategy of tri-coastal ports, but also diversity of labor unions and rail carriers as a much more optimal strategy since if there is trouble on one leg you can easily divert to another. This is the what makes Saint John important-- its a hedge against East Coast US ports, Halifax and CN (with vice versa being true), so it will be part of the mix for many years to come.

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  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Happy to read, and hopefully comprehend, your material, Mr. CN.

It certainly appears that Halifax, and it's service with only one road (CN), is to be aggressively challenged by Saint John as Canada's leading East Coast maritime port, which has three (CN, CPKC, CSX).

Now so far as handling traffic to Inland Canadian destinations, CN, albeit with its circuitous route has an advantage of ZERO Customs inspections, whereas CP Xing Maine, but on a more direct route over the CP-M, has two of such. Both roads serve any major inland Canadian traffic source.

Now I guess I'm somewhat astounded is how Chessie will fit into the picture acquiring Timmy's smashed up 1:1 Lionel set. Does she expect to compete for traffic through Saint John, or did she simply want the Maine Central to open up traffic from domestic Maine sources?

After reviewing your material immediately posted, Mr. CN, I'm really starting to wonder to what extent Chessie was really interested in Saint John? After all, as you note, the major maritime companies envision having Saint John as first call then playing "tramp steamer" down the US East Coast, where Chessie (and Topper) already serve any port of consequence. So long as these foreign flagged vessels only unload cargo (containers) that originated overseas, or pick up containers consigned for same, no Jones Act violation has occurred (pick up a container at, say, New York and drop it at, say, Savanah IS a violation).

So all told, based on your report, Mr. CN, that Chessie figures her Fancy Feast she's pouring into the MEC, will give her the returns she wants from domestic traffic sources.(Products of Forests; retailer's Distribution Centers), and that any traffic she gets from Saint John is strictly ancillary.
  by NHV 669
 
121 was into Greenville Jct. at 10:50 with CP 8704/CP 3035, 27 mixed freight, 24 wells/51 containers, CP 8150 (DPU), 65 wells/136 containers.
  by CN9634
 
Gilbert B Norman wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 10:50 am Happy to read, and hopefully comprehend, your material, Mr. CN.

It certainly appears that Halifax, and it's service with only one road (CN), is to be aggressively challenged by Saint John as Canada's leading East Coast maritime port, which has three (CN, CPKC, CSX).

Now so far as handling traffic to Inland Canadian destinations, CN, albeit with its circuitous route has an advantage of ZERO Customs inspections, whereas CP Xing Maine, but on a more direct route over the CP-M, has two of such. Both roads serve any major inland Canadian traffic source.

Now I guess I'm somewhat astounded is how Chessie will fit into the picture acquiring Timmy's smashed up 1:1 Lionel set. Does she expect to compete for traffic through Saint John, or did she simply want the Maine Central to open up traffic from domestic Maine sources?

After reviewing your material immediately posted, Mr. CN, I'm really starting to wonder to what extent Chessie was really interested in Saint John? After all, as you note, the major maritime companies envision having Saint John as first call then playing "tramp steamer" down the US East Coast, where Chessie (and Topper) already serve any port of consequence. So long as these foreign flagged vessels only unload cargo (containers) that originated overseas, or pick up containers consigned for same, no Jones Act violation has occurred (pick up a container at, say, New York and drop it at, say, Savanah IS a violation).

So all told, based on your report, Mr. CN, that Chessie figures her Fancy Feast she's pouring into the MEC, will give her the returns she wants from domestic traffic sources.(Products of Forests; retailer's Distribution Centers), and that any traffic she gets from Saint John is strictly ancillary.
Advantage wise remember that fewer miles = lower cost from a rate standpoint.

CSX does see merit in SJ but is unwilling at this time to offer an inferior service product.

Jones Act allows US cargo to load in Canada on foreign flag vessels, so thats one SJ advantage but very niche.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
CN9634 wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2024 11:59 am CSX does see merit in SJ but is unwilling at this time to offer an inferior service product
So, Mr. CN, you hold, as do I, that Chessie simply does not have a road, i.e. the Maine Central, at this time with which she can compete for high value traffic.

But she wants one, and is pouring her Fancy Feast into it and living on Dollar Store varietal for the moment.

But when she has her road, i.e. an FRA Class 3 MEC, she will sharpen her claws to grab Saint John maritime traffic.

We're on the same page.
  by NHV 669
 
120 was into Greenville Jct. at 21:15 with 4 CP units, 14 mixed freight (5 loaded autoracks), 72 wells/80 containers, 84 empty wells.
  by NHV 669
 
121 was into Greenville Jct. at 08:22 with CP 8826/CP 9806, 94 wells/200 containers, CP 8939 (DPU), 53 wells/104 containers, 54 mixed freight (2 autoracks).

[Edited at 22:36]

120 was into Greenville Jct. at 22:19 with KCS 5019/KCS 4196/KCSM 4531, 39 mixed freight, 47 wells/64 containers, 48 empty wells.
  by NHV 669
 
121 was into Greenville Jct. at 09:26 with KCS 5019/KCS 4196, 78 wells/118 containers, 26 mixed freight, KCSM 4531 (DPU), 20 mixed freight (8 empty autoracks), 60 empty windmill flats.
  by jwhite07
 
One of the windmill blades made it over the bridge at Stockton Springs by rail just fine, but had a little trouble making it under the same bridge by truck a short while later:

https://www.newscentermaine.com/article ... 09d8add1b1
Moss said an initial investigation indicates the driver of the tractor-trailer did not position the vehicle far enough into the left lane to navigate the lower side of the train trestle, resulting in the crash. The windmill blade, mounted on large brackets, struck the trestle, causing the truck, trailer, and blade to roll over, according to police.
  by CN9634
 
Blades came by ship from India. Nacells and towers by rail.
  by jwhite07
 
Thanks for the correction - thought maybe a move had escaped unlogged at Greenville.
  by CN9634
 
NBSR is getting pretty busy again, mostly running 907/908 extras as needed which has basically been everyday. Two more ships berthed at SJ today-- a CMA and Hapag -- so seems volume is pacing yet again. Heard CP is going to start a new class in October in the US, and looking for one in November in Canada, with talk of adding a second daily train pair in the near future.
  by NHV 669
 
Last night's 120 was into Greenville Jct. at 23:32 with CP 9835/KCSM 4064, 77 wells/129 containers, one empty well, 21 mixed freight (10 loaded autoracks), CP 8150 (DPU), 12 wells/15 containers, 41 empty wells.
  by NHV 669
 
121 was into Greenville Jct. at 08:09 with CP 8150/KCSM 4064, 5 boxcars, 73 wells/132 containers, CP 9835 (DPU), 34 wells/78 containers, 28 empty autoracks, 3 mixed freight.
  by CN9634
 
Yesterday's 120 was by the Webcam at 0754 this morning... should be another one this afternoon. These guys will have to turn and burn as 121 since NBSR has dumped off a ton of containers.
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