• Greenway - old ROW in Mt. Morris, NY

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  by sd80mac
 
thebigham wrote:
Then I hiked at Piffard:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=220696" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=220698" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; collapsed embankment
Do u know what these long fence is for? what is inside that property? I couldnt figure out why they need fence going around their large property

I take that this is not the same location of washout near York Landing, right? I rode the bide from RT 20 to piffard and I know of only one washout few years ag0. I dont recall seeing the washout in the pic.. and it's not the same as the one near York Landing.

Who own and maintain the trail?
  by thebigham
 
^New York State now owns the trail.

The Greenway has one employee. A young woman who works out of Letchworth.

She has mowers from Letchworth go out and mow the Greenway when they can during the spring/summer.

Volunteers maintain the trail.

The high chain link fence is for a large chemical company (?) at Piffard.

Yes, this is a different area than York Landing.
  by sd80mac
 
thebigham wrote:
Yes, this is a different area than York Landing.


Thanks for the answers to my Q

so its pretty much that trail has been severed that I cant ride bike all the way from RT 20 to piffard, correct?
Last edited by sd80mac on Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:12 am, edited 1 time in total.
  by RussNelson
 
http://www.arkema-americas.com/en/arkem ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Geneseo, NY plant produces liquid organic peroxides that are used primarily in the production of acrylics, elastomers, LDPE (low density polyethylene), polyesters, polystyrene and PVC (polyvinyl chloride).

And then I asked google "Are peroxides explosive" and it says "An organic peroxide is any organic (carbon-containing) compound having two oxygen atoms joined together (-O-O-). This chemical group is called a "peroxy" group. Organic peroxides can be severe fire and explosion hazards."

Any more questions about why there's a fence around the plant? :-)
  by thebigham
 
More Greenway pics:

Caneadea:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=221453" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=221454" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - the trail disappears after this for a ways

South of Houghton:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=221456" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=221455" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=221457" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - washed out culvert pipe

North of Houghton:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=221458" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=221459" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

New culverts were installed south of Fillmore:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=221460" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=221461" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
  by ctclark1
 
FYI the "telephone wires" North of Houghton are high tension power lines.
  by thebigham
 
^That's a massive brain fart. I have no idea why I wrote that. Thanks.
  by ctclark1
 
Just didn't want someone who might not think as clearly look at those pictures, see it saying telephone wire, finding another pole that looks like that, and climb it because they're only telephone wires. ;)
  by thebigham
 
The Greenway in Oramel:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=223499" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Former bridge abutments of the PRR Rochester Branch at New Hudson. The nearby exConrail bridge is still in and is used as an unofficial detour:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=223500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Near Rockville lake:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=223503" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Greenway under Letchworth High Bridge:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=223506" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The town of Hinsdale this spring brush cut the Greenway widening the mile long trail:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225803" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225804" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=225805" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Location where the Rochester Branch crossed the once double track DL&W Buffalo mainline at Mt. Morris:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=226740" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
  by RussNelson
 
thebigham wrote:Former bridge abutments of the PRR Rochester Branch at New Hudson. The nearby exConrail bridge is still in and is used as an unofficial detour:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=223500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Isn't that part of the greenway closed off? I didn't see any way to get over to it, and it's definitely closed coming from the northeast. That's why I was on the road there. Is this about 300' off the highway?
Location where the Rochester Branch crossed the once double track DL&W Buffalo mainline at Mt. Morris:

http://photos.greatrails.net/s/?p=226740" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Maybe "Hikers do not cross the tracks here.", but I crossed it with my wife and our tandem. It's not like there's all THAT much traffic.
  by thebigham
 
Great news! 17 miles of the Erie's River Line will become part of The Greenway rail trail:

https://www.facebook.com/FOGVG/posts/1470167809684998" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Great News, the State Is in the Process of Purchasing 17 miles of the Old Erie Bed in Allegany County So That some of the Greenway Can Open Again
by Irene Szabo

We have mentioned many times in the past year that there are roughly parallel railroads from Belfast to
near Cuba, the result of an Erie Railroad shortcut opened in 1911 to enable trains that didn’t need to go
to Buffalo to angle southward from near Dalton, just east of the Genesee River up high on bluffs, aiming
for Pennsylvania and eventually Chicago. This so-called High Line crossed the river just north of Belfast
(some of you were lucky enough to see it before it was demolished; now there are only concrete pillars
between the river and NY 19 on the west side where there used to be a spectacular high steel trestle). The
High Line stayed above the valley a little bit on the west side, too, and angled away from the Genesee
River along the Black Creek valley now followed by NY 305. This is how the Erie railbed and the
Pennsylvania Railroad were once cheek by jowl within the Black Creek swamp when both were still
running daily trains.

Just west of Cuba, the Greenway
(Pennsylvania RR) goes under the remnants
of the Erie bridge above. We all know that
“our” Pennsy route was closed in the early
1960s, while the Erie line continued activity
until the 1980s, after it had tried to save
itself through merger with the Lackawanna.
Then to save itself from bankruptcy after
Hurricane Agnes in 1972 tore out major
river-edge segments, the Erie Lackawanna
was gobbled up by Conrail in 1976, the
government corporation that kept most
disaster-bound northeast railroads from
imploding entirely.

One of Conrail’s cost-saving measures was to eliminate many miles of branch lines that weren’t deemed
necessary or profitable; in truth, today we wish we had a few of them back again. So after the
Pennsylvania Railroad had already given up on what is now our Greenway, the branch from Pennsylvania
up to Rochester, twenty years later Conrail started axing seemingly superfluous lines, and the High Line
was killed off. The Erie line had been built over twenty years after the PRR, and was much better built,
with great bridges and deep ballast rocks that Conrail mysteriously didn’t dig up and use elsewhere.
Ballast is the layer of gray rocks that wooden ties and rails are set upon, and they enable good drainage
and keep the ties out of mud.

Therefore, in places, the Erie route might be preferable to the one we have now between Cuba and
Belfast, but after Conrail let it go, it became seventeen miles of private land. Fortunately for us, those
miles are owned by only two parties, and after years of negotiation, they are willing to sell to the State.
At this point, the property has been inspected by Allegany State Park personnel, with closing anticipated
this summer. After closing, Bergmann Associates will survey the whole property, and the process will
begin to decide which corridor is better for the trail to follow in any given segment. Considering how
many places Black Creek is nibbling away at our path, it’s great to have an alternative here.
  by pumpers
 
RussNelson wrote:http://www.arkema-americas.com/en/arkem ... index.html

The Geneseo, NY plant produces liquid organic peroxides that are used primarily in the production of acrylics, elastomers, LDPE (low density polyethylene), polyesters, polystyrene and PVC (polyvinyl chloride).

And then I asked google "Are peroxides explosive" and it says "An organic peroxide is any organic (carbon-containing) compound having two oxygen atoms joined together (-O-O-). This chemical group is called a "peroxy" group. Organic peroxides can be severe fire and explosion hazards."

Any more questions about why there's a fence around the plant? :-)
I just happened to see this post when scanning through the Greenway related posts. Regarding "organic peroxide" and "Arkema", just google them and "Houston" to see all the disasters they have been having at their plant there from the recent floods, and evasive & misleading statements from Arkema. Good thing they have a big fence around it, and hopefully no one living anywhere near.
  by nydepot
 
They had a explosion and fire there in 2009. The ambulance showed up but was not let into the gate. Geneseo Village trustees decided maybe they should have a plan in place for emergencies.
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