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Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

Discussion related to Amtrak also known as the National Railroad Passenger Corp.

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Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by photobug56
 
ApproachMedium wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:56 am
CSRR573 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:36 am
ApproachMedium wrote: ↑Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:11 pm Nobodys going to make a P42 with the lightweight carbody it has, into a DPU. The P42s are useless. The only thing they are good for is spare parts to keep smaller railroads Dash 8 and 9 locomotives functioning.
Especially seeing as all the bodies are severely rotted out. Look down along the side of any P42 and you'll see the body sag badly in the middle.
What sorts of issues are there with the Chargers?

Ive never seen one body sag. I see the body rot, but thats not in structural areas. They cut that out and replace it, the same way they did with F units for ages.

I am NOT glad they are being replaced with chargers. Neither are any of the other amtrak engineers who have to run this stuff. the chargers are complete piles of junk. Theres a whole facebook page dedicated to it. Ive also expressed my displeasure with the ACS-64s and thats certainly becoming more and more of a problem as the cheap components fail and they mess with the software more and more.

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by R36 Combine Coach
 
It seems just about everything stainless that is monocoque or with a load carrying external shell seems to have
the sagging issues.

Note the postwar Budds (especially coach to baggage conversions) and the Silverliner III/Arrow I.

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by ApproachMedium
 
CSRR573 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:09 pm I dont know where your from, but all the ones that come through Boston sag in the middle, some worse then others. And I agree about the Siemens junk, I hate working on those things
New york and they come to sunnyside frequently lately with the p32 shortage. ive also had them on 66 often last year.

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by photobug56
 
So what happens contract wise when the Simens locos start having major problems?

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by CSRR573
 
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I wish i could get a better picture but Im no Longer in the yard. Most P42's sag where i circled. Some more pronounced then others.

Photobug56, who knows, the siemens techs we have on site don't even know how their locos work!

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by bostontrainguy
 
The bottom looks perfectly straight along the platform. Is it the whole body or just a weak structure at that point that is stressing for some reason?

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by ApproachMedium
 
The bottoms are straight where it matters most likely its the panels on the side caving in some. its nothing thats affecting their operation. I am sure if the main lower section was sagging we would have taken them all out a long time ago.

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by nomis
 
Mod Note: I stripped out the deep Siemens chatter from the past few days and made a Growing Pains thread, as the conversation was all encompassing everything except Genesis units :wink:

No collateral damage was planned & I may tweak when I get back to a computer.

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by STrRedWolf
 
Doing a bump on this to track engine 108 here instead of the Downeaster thread. Looking like she's going to be all right in the end.

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by Railjunkie
 
The 108 is still sitting on track 3 in the shop. Have not seen a foreman or a GF I can ask for an update on progress. The last foreman I talked to said it maybe as early as two weeks which would put it out of the shop sometime this week. IF the diesel had to be replaced that is going to add a few weeks.

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by Railjunkie
 
The 108 was out and about yesterday moving cars around the shop. A brand new prime mover for her to try out, see how long this one lasts, the old one made it six months or so I believe. Shouldn't be long before she makes her way back to Boston and then to Maine. If that is what Amtrak has planned for her, she was in the Downeaster pool

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by CSRR573
 
Railjunkie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 9:39 am The 108 was out and about yesterday moving cars around the shop. A brand new prime mover for her to try out, see how long this one lasts, the old one made it six months or so I believe. Shouldn't be long before she makes her way back to Boston and then to Maine. If that is what Amtrak has planned for her, she was in the Downeaster pool
After we lost the 97, we need her back

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Mr. Junkie, where within the system might there have been a ready to go spare P-32 prime mover?

I guess if at Beech Grove, they loaded it on to a highway flatbed and told the driver to keep moving, they could have it at Rensselaer overnight.

Do you think the former one can be rebuilt? Trust the rest of the unit is intact and the electronics were not damaged. If some paint got scorched, who worries about that when you're trying to hold what you got together with "string and bailing wire" and the "new stuff" simply doesn't work?

So Mr. CSRR should be happy to have "his" engine back at BOS.

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by chrisf
 
#108 would be a run of the mill P42. I'm sure Amtrak has plenty of spare engines for those.

Re: Genesis discussion (AMD-103, P40DC, P42DC)

  by CSRR573
 
chrisf wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 4:05 pm #108 would be a run of the mill P42. I'm sure Amtrak has plenty of spare engines for those.
Prime mover wise sure but its got ACSES. Not every p42 does. You need that to run or atleast lead up here in Boston
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