NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by Sid Farkus » Wed May 16, 2018 5:24 pm

That E8 and RS-3 are certainly worth saving. The E8 was operational not too long ago, but needs work since it could not run on its own when brought to Spencer, NC. That Alco in Passaic though is just a cab. LIRR converted it to a power pack.
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by DogBert » Sat May 26, 2018 10:42 pm

This explains a few things and adds color to this situation:
https://www.stb.gov/filings/all.nsf/ba7 ... 245700.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NYGL is attempting to fight the sale/abandonment. I'm no lawyer so I can't comment on their chances here. My guess here is they finally found a customer and started moving cars despite (or in spite) of the tax situation. I'm assuming the new 'owners' cut the track to stop more rail activity.

Clearly some mistakes were made for the IRS to seize the property. A tax burden of $70,000 shouldn't have lead to this, especially not with some assets laying around worth easily that much in sale or scrap value. No one ever wants to see stuff scrapped, but in Passaic alone there's two passenger cars, two cabooses, the FA, two GPs, two boxcars... not counting the port jervis collection.

If the real estate developers win, what does that mean for the equipment on property? Does a locomotive have the equivalent of a 'title' that would be needed to dispose of it?

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by blockline4180 » Tue May 29, 2018 11:26 am

DogBert wrote:This explains a few things and adds color to this situation:
https://www.stb.gov/filings/all.nsf/ba7 ... 245700.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NYGL is attempting to fight the sale/abandonment. I'm no lawyer so I can't comment on their chances here. My guess here is they finally found a customer and started moving cars despite (or in spite) of the tax situation. I'm assuming the new 'owners' cut the track to stop more rail activity.

Clearly some mistakes were made for the IRS to seize the property. A tax burden of $70,000 shouldn't have lead to this, especially not with some assets laying around worth easily that much in sale or scrap value. No one ever wants to see stuff scrapped, but in Passaic alone there's two passenger cars, two cabooses, the FA, two GPs, two boxcars... not counting the port jervis collection.

If the real estate developers win, what does that mean for the equipment on property? Does a locomotive have the equivalent of a 'title' that would be needed to dispose of it?
Well, with Wilson stating that there has been recent freight moved this past year ( I believe he said they delivered 8 cars and one waiting due to severed track) then I don't know how STB will allow PSPs request for abandonment to go through... Stranger things have happened, but for now I think the evidence is on the NYGL side.
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by pateljones » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:21 pm

Any idea about the identity of the large customer that went out of business, that is mentioned in the filing. And what active rail customers are left along the line?

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by DogBert » Tue Jul 03, 2018 7:31 am

pateljones wrote:Any idea about the identity of the large customer that went out of business, that is mentioned in the filing. And what active rail customers are left along the line?

The C&D company that was transloading scrap metal in their yard.

The current customer is (if I recall right) attempting to unload plastic pellets at the same yard.

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by DogBert » Sun Nov 11, 2018 2:05 pm

Checking back in on this...

Looks like STB ruled the new property owner can't file for exemption back in July.

No idea what this means for NYGL, other than further stalling development plans. is it even possible for the IRS to reverse their property auction if NYGL (or a buyer) paid off the tax bill? Looks like the new property developers have changed lawyers though.

For what it's worth, it's STB docket number: FD_36187_0

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by Hawaiitiki » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:07 am

Has anybody heard any news here? When was the last actual movement? After mid 2018, there really doesn't seem to be any public documentation or statements or documentation regarding the status of this spur.

Last I heard, line was severed (don't know how, why, or where), somebody bought the spur at a tax auction, but the completed sale has been stalled in litigation. Seems like this poor spur is on its final curtain call. Aside from some storage and the Northern Branch to Englewood, seems like Bergen County has seen the last of its active rail spurs/branches

NYSW Lodi Branch, dormant for years
NYSW Garfield Branch, only storage on severly reduced trackage
NS Carlton Hill Spur, dormant for decades (but still not abandoned)
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by DogBert » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:14 pm

This june 10 filing reports that it is over. No more RR.
https://www.stb.gov/Decisions/readingro ... /47049.pdf


"NYGL states that, thereafter, it entered into negotiations with PSP and that the parties have reached a settlement in which NYGL has agreed to abandon the Line. NYGL filed the petition for exemption in accordance with the settlement agreement. NYGL states that the Line has not had a significant amount of traffic since 2009 when its last customer went out of business. According to NYGL, starting in 2017, it renewed efforts to market the Line as a transload facility, and those efforts led to handling about eight carloads of traffic, which NYGL states is insufficient to produce a profit and enable NYGL to rehabilitate the trackage. NYGL states that PSP and the local governments wish to reclaim the right-of-way for urban redevelopment, and local planners seek to redevelop the area for residential and commercial purposes."


Hopefully the settlement agreement entails removing the equipment from the yard. I'm not sure where it would go or who would want it, but some of it is in pretty good shape, and there can't be many FA cabs left in the world. There's also the one DME hopper in the yard that does not belong to the RR or PSP, so one might assume that will have to be returned to the interchange intact? (unless maybe the settlement also includes PSP or the city or someone paying it's owner to buy/scrap it? No idea how that one would work).

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by airman00 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:55 am

UGH! That really is horrible. Stupid redevelopment... I get that business is bad, but couldn’t there have been SOME way to at least railbank the row or somehow save the rails. We are destroying our rich NJ railroad history!

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by riffian » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:07 pm

Anything is better than the piles of garbage, feces, needles and various other nasty things which littered the right of way before they started cleaning it up for development..

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by DogBert » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:17 pm

Drove past today, equipment is still there, but the old engine house is gone. Demo crew was on site cleaning up & fixing the fence.

The building was a wreck and probably in danger of collapsing during a good storm, so it's good that it's gone regardless.

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by Dcell » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:27 am

The ex-railroad property will be used to expand and link 2 public parks, which seems to be a positive. The ROW turned into a dangerous, dirty drug zone after Jimmy Wilson moved to NY and neglected the property. I wondered if the rail bridge over the river is going to be torn down?

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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by Sid Farkus » Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:26 am

Anyone know if the equipment in Port Jervis is still there?
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by cjvrr » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:16 am

DogBert wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:17 pm
Drove past today, equipment is still there, but the old engine house is gone. Demo crew was on site cleaning up & fixing the fence.

The building was a wreck and probably in danger of collapsing during a good storm, so it's good that it's gone regardless.
That wasn't and engine house. That was the building used to dump construction debris and other garbage and transload it to high sided hoppers. It burned twice.....

It was torn down just last week, week of June 10th.
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Re: NYGL Dundee Spur Status - 2009-present

Post by cjvrr » Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:18 am

Yes the Erie E-8, getting fairly rusty, the RS-3 and several passenger cars are still sitting on and near the turntable in Port Jervis as of June 2nd.
Sid Farkus wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:26 am
Anyone know if the equipment in Port Jervis is still there?
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