Canal Slip in Hoboken

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Canal Slip in Hoboken

Post by nightmare403 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:27 pm

The canal in hoboken between the yard and hudson bergen light rail is finally being filled with a plan of 6 new tracks and 3 ADA platforms

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Re: Canal Slip in Hoboken

Post by Yankees1 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:40 pm

Interesting that they continue to invest in Hoboken even with the possibility that very few trains will terminate there once they finally build Gateway. It's definitely still worth it with all of the people who work downtown and in the west/east village.

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Re: Canal Slip in Hoboken

Post by EuroStar » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:08 am

NJT will invest in Hoboken. They have no choice. Trains will terminate in Hoboken for decades to come and in all likelihood their number will increase somewhat. In spite of all the talk about Gateway, the only thing from Gateway that has reasonable shot of being completed in the next 5 years is the new Portal Bridge. For the two new tunnels you are looking at 10 years plus until opening. For Penn South it is basically never. Without Penn South no new trains will go to Penn during rush hour. While you might have been hearing that the tunnels are the choke point, there is not extra space in the existing Penn Station for new trains either.

I am quite disappointed that they separated the project into two phases. That will add at least an year, but in all likelihood two plus years to the whole project. They are receiving bids on extending the Jersey City sewer and filling the canal until July. One can only hope that the selection will be finished by October. Then it is an extra month for the board to vote on awarding the contract. More paperworks follows (permits, etc.), so by the time the equipment is on site it will be the first quarter of 2020. An year in construction follows. Once it is done they will start the process for the second phase: the elevated platforms, the new bridges over the streets and such. Expect another 3-4 years, so maybe in 2025 Hoboken will gain an additional tracks.

If I have to guess the separation in phases is because NJT does not have the money for the full project. The FTA money is probably enough to only fill the canal, not to build the tracks and the rest of the infrastructure. Completion of phase 1 will be a win though not only for NJT as it will reduce the chance of future flooding of the yard, but also for Hoboken as substantial amount of the flooding in the city came through the canal.

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Re: Canal Slip in Hoboken

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:42 am

Contingency planning is key! It’s very good that NJT is going to build more tracks, new platforms(high level), and any other augmentations at Hoboken Terminal. At this point, expanding at Hoboken Terminal is the answer. All of Gateway won’t be completed in a few years, especially the tunnels.

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Re: Canal Slip in Hoboken

Post by R36 Combine Coach » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:14 pm

njt/mnrrbuff wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:42 am
Contingency planning is key! It’s very good that NJT is going to build more tracks, new platforms(high level), and any other augmentations at Hoboken Terminal. At this point, expanding at Hoboken Terminal is the answer. All of Gateway won’t be completed in a few years, especially the tunnels.
If the tunnels are closed, where does Midtown Direct service go: HOB.
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Re: Canal Slip in Hoboken

Post by mtuandrew » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:03 pm

You could always dig tubes from Hoboken to the City... :wink:

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Re: Canal Slip in Hoboken

Post by Defiant » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:07 am

EuroStar wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:08 am

I am quite disappointed that they separated the project into two phases. That will add at least an year, but in all likelihood two plus years to the whole project. They are receiving bids on extending the Jersey City sewer and filling the canal until July. One can only hope that the selection will be finished by October. Then it is an extra month for the board to vote on awarding the contract. More paperworks follows (permits, etc.), so by the time the equipment is on site it will be the first quarter of 2020. An year in construction follows. Once it is done they will start the process for the second phase: the elevated platforms, the new bridges over the streets and such. Expect another 3-4 years, so maybe in 2025 Hoboken will gain an additional tracks.
If this is true, then it would take more than ten years to address the major impact of a hurricane. I think Soviet Russia build infrastructure faster than this. How pathetic...

And what would happen if there is another major hurricane during the construction? Will NJ ask for federal assistance again for the same problem...

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Re: Canal Slip in Hoboken

Post by lensovet » Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:52 pm

Defiant wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:07 am
EuroStar wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:08 am

I am quite disappointed that they separated the project into two phases. That will add at least an year, but in all likelihood two plus years to the whole project. They are receiving bids on extending the Jersey City sewer and filling the canal until July. One can only hope that the selection will be finished by October. Then it is an extra month for the board to vote on awarding the contract. More paperworks follows (permits, etc.), so by the time the equipment is on site it will be the first quarter of 2020. An year in construction follows. Once it is done they will start the process for the second phase: the elevated platforms, the new bridges over the streets and such. Expect another 3-4 years, so maybe in 2025 Hoboken will gain an additional tracks.
If this is true, then it would take more than ten years to address the major impact of a hurricane. I think Soviet Russia build infrastructure faster than this. How pathetic...

And what would happen if there is another major hurricane during the construction? Will NJ ask for federal assistance again for the same problem...
Soviet Russia also had no problem sending people to their deaths to build infrastructure to stoke the ego of its leaders, so I'm not sure we should be exactly looking to them for inspiration…
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Re: Canal Slip in Hoboken

Post by WashingtonPark » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:43 pm

I think his point is that our progress on infrastructure is pathetic, not that we should lift up the Soviet Union as our shining example.

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