Hello all...
A post in another forum has led me to ask another question about the "old" Form 19...or Train Order.
Before the introduction of today's "pre-printed, fill in the blank" train orders, such as NORAC's Form D or GCOR's Track Warrant, how were "train orders" written? I believe the LIRR/NY&A still uses the Form 19. Was there a "standard" phrase or wording used to give a train/engine authority to occupy the main track(s)? Did each railroad Company/Train Dispatcher office have their own "wordage" they used on their orders? IIRC, the Form 19 simply had a "fill in the blank" spaces for the T.O. number, date, Superintendent's, Dispatcher's, and/or Operator's initials. The "body" of the order was blank; and authority was written as a sentence(s). I believe a "Clearance Card", or "Form A" was issued to crews listing the total number of orders they were to receive at each office/station. In the first examples below, Eng 123 would get #'s 177, 109, 117, and 118. Eng 456 would get 177, 109 and 110. The words "No., 19, To, Complete, M, Disp/Opr, and Supr" were the only text that was pre-printed on the form/order I believe. These examples are in an "unscheduled, freight only" enviroment; no timetable authority/symbol freights/passenger/1st or 2nd Class trains to confuse the mix. Any help or input is appreciated...
"Alpha" is MP 0.0 and "Zulu" is MP 100.0; "Lima" is a 24 hour Train Order office/station...
No. 177 Aug 3 1970
To: C&E Westward trains at Alpha
C&E Eastward trains at Zulu
Look out for men & equipment working on Rt 100 OHB MP 15.24 between 8 AM & 6 PM Mon-Fri
Whistle & ring bell approaching work site
Complete 422 PM Disp/Opr MNO (or name Oscar)
Supr DEF
No. 109 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Westward trains at Alpha
C&E Eastward trains at Zulu
Do not exceed 25 MPH MP 10.5 to MP 11.1
Do not exceed 10 MPH MP 26.3 to MP 26.6
Do not exceed 35 MPH MP 44.0 to MP 44.9
Do not exceed 10 MPH on siding Sierra
J Doe & Co spur at Uniform OOS & spiked for Main Trk
Complete 1240 PM Disp/Opr ABC (or name Charlie)
Supr DEF
No. 117 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 123 West at Alpha
Eng 123 run extra Alpha to Echo
Take siding at Echo
Complete 546 PM Disp/Opr JKL (or name Lincoln)
Supr DEF
No. 118 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 123 West at Alpha
Eng 123 run extra Echo to Whiskey after Eng 456 East arrives at Echo
Complete 550 PM Disp/Opr JKL
Supr DEF
No. 110 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 456 East at Zulu
Eng 456 run extra Zulu to Echo
Complete 117 PM Disp/Opr ABC
Supr DEF
No. 119 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 456 East at Lima
Eng 456 run extra Echo to Alpha after Eng 123 West arrives at Echo
Complete 733 PM Disp/Opr JKL
Supr DEF
No. 120 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 789 at Zulu
Eng 789 run extra Zulu to Whiskey and return to Zulu
Complete 740 PM Disp/Opr JKL
Supr DEF
No. 121 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 246 East at Zulu
Eng 246 run extra Zulu to Whiskey after Eng 789 arrives at Zulu
Take siding at Whiskey
Complete 912 PM Disp/Opr JKL
Supr DEF
No. 122 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 123 West at Lima
Eng 123 run extra Whiskey to Zulu after Eng 246 East arrives at Whiskey
Complete 956 PM Disp/Opr JKL
Supr DEF
Thanks for taking the time to read these. Those of you that worked with train orders...do they sound right?
A post in another forum has led me to ask another question about the "old" Form 19...or Train Order.
Before the introduction of today's "pre-printed, fill in the blank" train orders, such as NORAC's Form D or GCOR's Track Warrant, how were "train orders" written? I believe the LIRR/NY&A still uses the Form 19. Was there a "standard" phrase or wording used to give a train/engine authority to occupy the main track(s)? Did each railroad Company/Train Dispatcher office have their own "wordage" they used on their orders? IIRC, the Form 19 simply had a "fill in the blank" spaces for the T.O. number, date, Superintendent's, Dispatcher's, and/or Operator's initials. The "body" of the order was blank; and authority was written as a sentence(s). I believe a "Clearance Card", or "Form A" was issued to crews listing the total number of orders they were to receive at each office/station. In the first examples below, Eng 123 would get #'s 177, 109, 117, and 118. Eng 456 would get 177, 109 and 110. The words "No., 19, To, Complete, M, Disp/Opr, and Supr" were the only text that was pre-printed on the form/order I believe. These examples are in an "unscheduled, freight only" enviroment; no timetable authority/symbol freights/passenger/1st or 2nd Class trains to confuse the mix. Any help or input is appreciated...
"Alpha" is MP 0.0 and "Zulu" is MP 100.0; "Lima" is a 24 hour Train Order office/station...
No. 177 Aug 3 1970
To: C&E Westward trains at Alpha
C&E Eastward trains at Zulu
Look out for men & equipment working on Rt 100 OHB MP 15.24 between 8 AM & 6 PM Mon-Fri
Whistle & ring bell approaching work site
Complete 422 PM Disp/Opr MNO (or name Oscar)
Supr DEF
No. 109 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Westward trains at Alpha
C&E Eastward trains at Zulu
Do not exceed 25 MPH MP 10.5 to MP 11.1
Do not exceed 10 MPH MP 26.3 to MP 26.6
Do not exceed 35 MPH MP 44.0 to MP 44.9
Do not exceed 10 MPH on siding Sierra
J Doe & Co spur at Uniform OOS & spiked for Main Trk
Complete 1240 PM Disp/Opr ABC (or name Charlie)
Supr DEF
No. 117 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 123 West at Alpha
Eng 123 run extra Alpha to Echo
Take siding at Echo
Complete 546 PM Disp/Opr JKL (or name Lincoln)
Supr DEF
No. 118 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 123 West at Alpha
Eng 123 run extra Echo to Whiskey after Eng 456 East arrives at Echo
Complete 550 PM Disp/Opr JKL
Supr DEF
No. 110 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 456 East at Zulu
Eng 456 run extra Zulu to Echo
Complete 117 PM Disp/Opr ABC
Supr DEF
No. 119 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 456 East at Lima
Eng 456 run extra Echo to Alpha after Eng 123 West arrives at Echo
Complete 733 PM Disp/Opr JKL
Supr DEF
No. 120 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 789 at Zulu
Eng 789 run extra Zulu to Whiskey and return to Zulu
Complete 740 PM Disp/Opr JKL
Supr DEF
No. 121 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 246 East at Zulu
Eng 246 run extra Zulu to Whiskey after Eng 789 arrives at Zulu
Take siding at Whiskey
Complete 912 PM Disp/Opr JKL
Supr DEF
No. 122 Aug 10 1970
To: C&E Extra 123 West at Lima
Eng 123 run extra Whiskey to Zulu after Eng 246 East arrives at Whiskey
Complete 956 PM Disp/Opr JKL
Supr DEF
Thanks for taking the time to read these. Those of you that worked with train orders...do they sound right?