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Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

This forum will be for issues that don't belong specifically to one NYC area transit agency, but several. For instance, intra-MTA proposals or MTA-wide issues, which may involve both Metro-North Railroad (MNRR) and the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Other intra-agency examples: through running such as the now discontinued MNRR-NJT Meadowlands special. Topics which only concern one operating agency should remain in their respective forums.

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Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by Tom V
 
lensovet wrote:I'm not sure how you can make the platforms wider. Where are the tracks going to go?
They can start by clearing the existing platforms of all the pillars and anything other than staircases, escalators and elevators.

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by STrRedWolf
 
Tom V wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 7:14 pm
lensovet wrote:I'm not sure how you can make the platforms wider. Where are the tracks going to go?
They can start by clearing the existing platforms of all the pillars and anything other than staircases, escalators and elevators.
You do realize those pillars are what is keeping the entire station and Madison Square Garden overhead from falling down, right?

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by ExCon90
 
lensovet wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 10:56 am I'm not sure how you can make the platforms wider. Where are the tracks going to go?
There's been a suggestion that the platforms can be widened by eliminating some of the tracks -- the only way they can be widened -- but that seems to be substituting one problem for another. The bag will hold only so many pounds.

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by west point
 
lensovet wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 10:56 am I'm not sure how you can make the platforms wider. Where are the tracks going to go?
Impossible unles MSG is demolished to remove the support columns.

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by andegold
 
The LIRR concourse was renovated to remove low hanging beams. Surely modern engineering can find a solution to make supporting columns smaller and/or fewer in number without compromising the integrity of the building even while not interrupting occupancy and use.

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by BandA
 
You can increase the span of the beams, reducing the number/volume of columns . You can't make the columns narrower. You don't want to rely on magic high-strength steel, this stuff has to last a very long time.

Is there a way to have two layers of tracks? That or expanding the footprint of Penn Station tracks seems to be the only way to increase capacity. Maybe there is a need for a couple of bypass tracks, for trains not stopping at Penn - not every trip starts or stops in Manhattan anymore.

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by lensovet
 
The original cavern station that was part of ARC was in a way a second layer of tracks as it was designed to be below Penn.

Can’t imagine which services going through Penn would benefit dropping it as a stop. Literally the highest number of boardings on the entire corridor.

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by STrRedWolf
 
Tom V wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:51 am The case against thru running, for now.

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews ... cials-say/

https://www.chelseanewsny.com/news-aler ... -ED3555107
The question I have is... have these run-through advocates actually studied the costs of doing this, and if it's entirely feasible? Last thing I know is that nobody hasn't done that homework yet.

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by lensovet
 
Advocacy groups want money to be spent on studies to prove that it's feasible so that they can then push for it to be implemented

Commuters meanwhile just want to get where they are going instead of engaging in foamer fantasies.

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by NaugyRR
 
My wife and I are going to the Museum for a Day in Boonton this Sunday, taking an Empire Train down in the morning to connect with NJT Train # 6919 to Boonton (via the "Scoot" at Denville).

This will be our first time riding NJT; what's the deal with boarding NJT from Moynihan? I've read that technically you're supposed to board from NYP, but I'd rather grab a bite and wait/board from Moynihan if possible.

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by MACTRAXX
 
NaugyRR wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 8:18 am My wife and I are going to the Museum for a Day in Boonton this Sunday, taking an Empire Train down in the morning to connect with NJT Train # 6919 to Boonton (via the "Scoot" at Denville).

This will be our first time riding NJT; what's the deal with boarding NJT from Moynihan? I've read that technically you're supposed to board from NYP, but I'd rather grab a bite and wait/board from Moynihan if possible.
NR - BE AWARE that there is NO weekend service on the Boonton Line between Bay Street Montclair and
Denville...Train #6919 is a M&E M/D train to Dover (NYP 10:11 AM) that connects with Train #515 from Hoboken at
Newark Broad Street 10:32 AM...On weekends the only M&E MU service operating out of Hoboken is to Montclair
every two hours from HOB westbound (#515 at 10:08 AM) and leaving BSM eastbound (Ex: #518 at 11:00 AM)...

SEE: www.njtransit.com/train-to/
PDF schedules are available - Download the Montclair-Boonton Line timetable

NJ Transit trains board from the "traditional" NYP Station area - the newer NJT ticket office/waiting area is over
towards 7th Avenue and the regular Amtrak/NJT boarding area towards 8th Avenue...Moynihan Station is west of
8th Avenue across to 9th Avenue - the food court is more towards the 9th Avenue end of the Train Hall...MACTRAXX

Re: Empire Station Complex, aka New York Pennsylvania Station

  by NaugyRR
 
Thanks MACTRAXX

NJT is running weekend specials for the Boonton "Museum for a Day" event with connection at Denville, via the Morristown Line.
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It's been awhile since we've been "across the street" to NYP. We're regular Empire Service riders, but ever since Moynihan opened we pretty much never have a reason to use NYP unless we're catching a subway connection or seeing a show at the Garden.

Last time we were in NYP the Shake Shack was gone, McDonalds was gone, the Pizza Hut/Nathan's/Tim Hortons was gone, etc. etc.; it was pretty depressing lol.
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