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Discussion of the operations of CSX Transportation, from 1980 to the present. Official site can be found here: CSXT.COM.

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 #301588  by sd80mac
 
roadster wrote:It takes more than handling a gun to know how and when you can use it in a situation.
the deputies in fla sure look like they know how to handle the guns.....110 shots... 68 hits... :rolleyes:


Roader, I'm just picking on you.. :P All right I better shut-up before you go after me..:P


(not that I am angry or pissed-off with the situation in fla..)

 #301843  by scharnhorst
 
I'm just happy that I took RR job Contracts in Canada. I would rather deal with a bears, moose, and wolves which I have heard and have come across while walking out to collect the Derail and the camp car sign at 5:30a.m. on some sideing in the middle of no where.
 #302837  by BCLRConductor
 
"chuckle" if it was my luck the Fusee wouldn't ignite... I have been carrying 4 fusees lately. Two out of 4 will actully ignite. Oh Well...

And yes I always have more in the cab if all else fails... =O)
 #302853  by sd80mac
 
BCLRConductor wrote:"chuckle" if it was my luck the Fusee wouldn't ignite... I have been carrying 4 fusees lately. Two out of 4 will actully ignite. Oh Well...

And yes I always have more in the cab if all else fails... =O)
well... I'm glad to hear that u and others are "armed" with fuse and spilkes....

I got NOTHING to protect myself while I'm railfanning.... at least, I could use is pen... :wink:
 #303086  by CSX Conductor
 
sd80mac wrote:I got NOTHING to protect myself while I'm railfanning.... at least, I could use is pen... :wink:
Just be sure not to get in our way. :wink:
 #303100  by BCLRConductor
 
CSX Conductor wrote:
sd80mac wrote:I got NOTHING to protect myself while I'm railfanning.... at least, I could use is pen... :wink:
Just be sure not to get in our way. :wink:
I dunno... I think a fusee would prolly deter angry animals and such but might attract railfans... (Oh look son the Conductor is igniting a fusee. Where's my camera?!?)

Come take a picture of me at 2am at the end of my shift tonight. Now that's a KODAK moment...
 #303196  by scharnhorst
 
BCLRConductor wrote:
CSX Conductor wrote:
sd80mac wrote:I got NOTHING to protect myself while I'm railfanning.... at least, I could use is pen... :wink:
Just be sure not to get in our way. :wink:
I dunno... I think a fusee would prolly deter angry animals and such but might attract railfans... (Oh look son the Conductor is igniting a fusee. Where's my camera?!?)

Come take a picture of me at 2am at the end of my shift tonight. Now that's a KODAK moment...
hehe for me when I was in the field it would have been just my luck that I catch my self on fire or something trying to light one. I can be a danger to my self when it come to fire. After geting out of the railroad seen I worked in a foundry for little under 2 1/2 months skiming slag off of sow molds theres not much left of my jeans after I keeped catching my self on fire from the hot metal spatter shooting off the blast furnice.

 #303476  by conrail_engineer
 
Malley wrote:Roadster, due respect and not looking to argue, but you may have seen too much McGiver.
If you are going to fight back, a gun is the way to do it. God created man, but Colonel Colt made men equal. If the BGs aren't bigger or more numerous, they probably won't cause a problem in the first place. As was noted, you must reasonably fear for your life, that of others, or grave bodily injury in order to use deadly force.
I have serious doubts that the Dispatcher will be anxious to send the gendarmes to escort anyone...
If railroads are like most businesses, they are more concerned about a lawsuit than they are about injuries to employees.
Guns don't solve all the worlds problems, but like fire extinguishers, seatbelts and attorneys, they do sometimes come in handy.
Malley
Point of it being, once you've pulled out a gun, you've created a whole new set of problems quite apart from the bad guy.

If you use the gun, you're liable for prosecution. In some areas, simply brandishing a weapon constitutes assault with a firearm.

The "bad guy" may not be so "bad" (might not be a known felon) that he won't go to the cops himself. Ho-hum, I was just walkin' along the tracks, and this CRAZY tried to kill me!

If he's armed, gun or other, and you pull a weapon, you've just raised the ante. Now he may feel forced to use his weapon. If he's better or luckier...you're a statistic. If you get the better of him...you're a defendent.

There's no good answer to this problem; but I dont think packing a gun is a better answer than other possible defenses.

 #304709  by Malley
 
Point of it being, once you've pulled out a gun, you've created a whole new set of problems quite apart from the bad guy.

If you use the gun, you're liable for prosecution. In some areas, simply brandishing a weapon constitutes assault with a firearm.

The "bad guy" may not be so "bad" (might not be a known felon) that he won't go to the cops himself. Ho-hum, I was just walkin' along the tracks, and this CRAZY tried to kill me!

If he's armed, gun or other, and you pull a weapon, you've just raised the ante. Now he may feel forced to use his weapon. If he's better or luckier...you're a statistic. If you get the better of him...you're a defendent.

There's no good answer to this problem; but I dont think packing a gun is a better answer than other possible defenses.[/quote]

Even if a gun is drawn with justification, there is no disputing that you may now be in a jackpot. Anyone drawing a gun had best be facing what a 'reasonable man' would perceive as a grave threat to life and limb. Not a thing to be done lightly, yet it happens perhaps 2 million times a year in the USA. Most times, the problem simply goes away, usually without a shot being fired.
If the successful use of guns in self defense received one tenth the coverage that misuse does, it wouldn't even be a matter of debate.
To no small degree I think you are correct; it is a problem with no good answer. But being a victim isn't very satisfactory, and there aren't too many real alternatives. Carry a cell phone, carry pepper spray, be aware of your surroundings, show good judgement...the gun is only a final resort.
Malley

 #304929  by f4iguy
 
A firearm is always a "last resort." If it were not for the people that have not the dicipline(of themselves and their surroundings) to attempt talking their way out of a situation, acting as an adult should but instead using a weapon then this would not be an issue. since we have so many people that think they know whats best for the entire country (anti gun groups, politicians ect) we have had the power to make our own decision almost taken away. Personally I think that everyone should be issued a handgun, rifle and shotgun on thier 18th b-day. then everyone would be on a level field. if the "gangsters", hooligans and other riffraff wanna kill each other off, please do so. end that gene pool before it has the chance to spread. it would deff be a very large deterent for the normal thinking person to commit a crime, knowing that everyone around the is "packing heat" just my.02

 #304948  by Engineer James
 
Yeah, just what we need, the Crews to somehow get shot by the gun that they were carrying, or you get an unstable crew member who starts shooting cars and Pedestrians at crossings or alongside the tracks, yeah good idea, NOT!

 #304970  by f4iguy
 
if everone around the person had a firearm, drop them. it would make people think before they act.

 #307755  by frank502
 
I would rather be arrested than be killed.

I would rather lose my job than my life.

If the legal system in this country adheared more to common sense than to liberal BS we would all (except for criminals & idiots) be much better off.

I never carried at work but knew a few coworkers that did (not at my current RR job) I just kept my mouth shut. I had no problem with someone else packing. I actually felt better knowing there was a piece on the engine if we were stopped/working in a bad area.

 #308539  by the missing link
 
i work in the bronx of new york and sometimes get off duty around 2 am, then take the 6 train home.
i carry pepperspray, but use streetsmarts to avoid potential 'enemy contact' in the first place. it's different when trouble comes looking for you, but at least i can neutralize the situation w/o killing anyone.

back to the origional topic: has there been any headway in the robbery/shooting case upstate?

 #308553  by Malley
 
the missing link wrote:i work in the bronx of new york and sometimes get off duty around 2 am, then take the 6 train home.
i carry pepperspray, but use streetsmarts to avoid potential 'enemy contact' in the first place. it's different when trouble comes looking for you, but at least i can neutralize the situation w/o killing anyone.
As I recall, the 'motorist' Rodney King was both pepper sprayed and Tasered, to little effect. The pepper spray is a good idea, but don't rely on it to too great a degree. The streetsmarts is a GREAT idea; avoid trouble if you can, pepper spray, gun, whatever else you may have.
Just listened to Bruce Springsteen singing about Jesse James robbing trains. Nothing new under the sun.
Malley